i agree with Vman to an extent. i think 100mg of var is defly optimal. You also have to worry about back and arm pumps which will occur more often the higher doses you use. Trust me, they can get bad!! I think its dabatable that var shuts you down although i believe it might suppress your hpta. if your not going to take test with it, (which i absolutely recomend- my fav cycle combo) add some tribulus and avina sativa to help keep the boys swimming!!