Dbol vs Var for kickstart

[JScondition]

For my second cycle I planned on taking dbol as a kickstart 30mg ed for the first 4 weeks of a test c cycle. I was going to run anavar the last two weeks of test and 2 weeks up to pct. I am wondering if I should leave the dbol out and just kickstart with the anavar. I am looking to make lean gains this summer. What would you guys do?

I was going to run the anavar @ 50mg ed

stats
age 24
ht 5'7''
Wt 175
bf% 10-12... working on getting it down to 8-9 before cycle starts in June
training exp >10yrs
diet = solid

[2jz_calgary]

i dont think anavar will really give you any gains for a kickstart, its better used to cut imo. Id go with dbol and a clean diet.

[JScondition]

i dont think anavar will really give you any gains for a kickstart, its better used to cut imo. Id go with dbol and a clean diet.

Would running it at the end be a complete waste then? Or am I still good there to cut some fat before PCT?

[RoadToRecovery]

Would running it at the end be a complete waste then? Or am I still good there to cut some fat before PCT?

anavar isnt going to help you cut fat... it just doesnt bloat like dbol can.

Either way, i would go with dbol for the fact that it is a 1/6th+ of the cost anavar.

[2jz_calgary]

yea var is mad expensive plus running 2 orals on cycle will be hard on the liver, however people have done it . If you choose to run var near the end make sure you run liver support.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

anavar isnt going to help you cut fat...anavar.

Huh? So what is the point of anavar then if it doesn't help you lose fat?

[ferocious bubble]

These posts above are pretty stupid imo.

Var = great fat loss and great lean muscle.

Dbol = neither?

[RoadToRecovery]

These posts above are pretty stupid imo.

Var = great fat loss and great lean muscle.

Dbol = neither?

Of course they are... So then its safe to assume winstrol is good for burning fat to right?

[2jz_calgary]

i wouldent say that. One could even use dbol to cut if your diet was right. My first cycle i did drop fat on my kickstart with dbol. And if you dont think dbol is good for muscle gains i dont think youve ever tried it

[RoadToRecovery]

Oxandrolone does not aromatize or convert to DHT, and has a longer half life than Dianabol - 8 hours vs. 4 hours. Thus, a moderate dose taken in the morning is largely out of the system by night, yet supplies reasonable levels of androgen during the day and early evening.

This is why compounds like anavar are desired for a cutting cycle.

[RoadToRecovery]

i wouldent say that. One could even use dbol to cut if your diet was right. My first cycle i did drop fat on my kickstart with dbol. And if you dont think dbol is good for muscle gains i dont think youve ever tried it

Does any one bother to read opposing posts before rebutting? Where did I say that dbol wasnt good for muscle gains?

And you can use any steroid to cut.

[2jz_calgary]

i wasnt actually referring to you bro was talking to ferociuos bubble sorry shoulda used the caption

[RoadToRecovery]

i wasnt actually referring to you bro was talking to ferociuos bubble sorry shoulda used the caption

Ah, figured you were talking to me because you posted after my post.

[jordann]

Kickstart with the dbol @ 30mg/ED and leave out the var. Run a liver protectant and an AI to keep bloat and water retention down. If your diet is as solid as you say it is you should keep a relatively fat free cycle.

[ferocious bubble]

I know but its more of a bulking compound imo.

var/tren are the best at cutting imo.

[RoadToRecovery]

I know but its more of a bulking compound imo.

var/tren are the best at cutting imo.

Sure, but that does not mean they burn fat.

[taiboxa]

ROFL you people make it sound like aas are thermogenics or T3/T4.. i mean do .. ANY of you really even bother to read about AAS before you take it or advise people about it.. i saw so much parroting in this god forsaken waste of a thread that it made me .. Cranky.

AAS increase fat loss because they facilitate greater anabolism thus burning more calories to construct muscles as well as the growth of NEW LBM will also increase one's metabolic rate.. TREN is the only one i know of that has nutrient partioning effects that actually cause fat loss.... so saying VAR burns more fat than dbol... asinine

only one person here gets my You're not a Tard award.. rest of you .. read a book.

[RoadToRecovery]

only one person here gets my You're not a Tard award.. rest of you .. read a book.

lol.

From what I have read, AAS like tren indirectly increases fat loss due its angrogenic binding. Its more of a positive side effect than facilitator.

AAS increase fat loss because they facilitate greater anabolism thus burning more calories to construct muscles as well as the growth of NEW LBM will also increase one's metabolic rate..

This again, I will say - its a positive side/indirect effect but there are alot of variables that need to take place in order to achieve desired results (anabolism).

- Caloric intake to support growth
- Resistance training to stimulate growth
- Proper Rest
etc

Then once the muscle actually grows only then will your caloric expenditure increase. Taking the AAS on its own will NOT burn fat. (In any Tren profile, it states that it is a possibility but it doesnt state that there is hard evidence)

[ferocious bubble]

Fvck my cock, read this one dipshit.

http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php

Notice the 8/10 for fat burning.

Idiot.

[RoadToRecovery]

Fvck my cock, read this one dipshit.

http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php

Notice the 8/10 for fat burning.

Idiot.

I guess you want your stay here to be a short one talking to people like that.

[RoadToRecovery]

Oh and by the way, J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):4863-72 , which is the reference for fat burning portion of the Anavar profile... does NOT state that these men did not exercise and also stated that these men had a low testosterone level. Well no kidding. Higher testosterone WILL attribute to a higher metabolism like Tai said.

Still feel smart?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15472177

[taiboxa]

Fvck my cock, read this one dipshit.

http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php

Notice the 8/10 for fat burning.

Idiot.

hmm.. thats a very scientific scale your utilizing there...

lol.

From what I have read, AAS like tren indirectly increases fat loss due its angrogenic binding. Its more of a positive side effect than facilitator.



This again, I will say - its a positive side/indirect effect but there are alot of variables that need to take place in order to achieve desired results (anabolism).

- Caloric intake to support growth
- Resistance training to stimulate growth
- Proper Rest
etc

Then once the muscle actually grows only then will your caloric expenditure increase. Taking the AAS on its own will NOT burn fat. (In any Tren profile, it states that it is a possibility but it doesnt state that there is hard evidence)

lol some how i feel like your just repeating what i was conveying but w/ a special vernacular

[RoadToRecovery]

hmm.. thats a very scientific scale your utilizing there...


lol some how i feel like your just repeating what i was conveying but w/ a special vernacular

Yup... just piggy backing.

[glover]

Since you are new to cycling and based on your weight. I would recommend you go with the Dbol only with the test of course. It is very good for new users.

[taiboxa]

Yup... just piggy backing.

well dont go overboard w/ the details.. your gonna make me look slow ><

[taiboxa]

Since you are new to cycling and based on your weight. I would recommend you go with the Dbol only. It is very good for new users.

omg.. i hope that is a joke

[RoadToRecovery]

Since you are new to cycling and based on your weight. I would recommend you go with the Dbol only. It is very good for new users.

haha totally.

[graeme87]

Can ban people for being stupid?

[tronics]

wow....what a thread lol

ferocious bubble....no offense buddy, but arent you 18 and never ran a cycle before?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

can someone explain what the point of anavar is then if it doesnt burn fat?

[Hazard]

can someone explain what the point of anavar is then if it doesnt burn fat?

Lean gains..... harder appearance.....

winny and masteron don't burn fat either.....

~Haz~

[Hazard]

ROFL you people make it sound like aas are thermogenics or T3/T4.. i mean do .. ANY of you really even bother to read about AAS before you take it or advise people about it.. i saw so much parroting in this god forsaken waste of a thread that it made me .. Cranky.

AAS increase fat loss because they facilitate greater anabolism thus burning more calories to construct muscles as well as the growth of NEW LBM will also increase one's metabolic rate.. TREN is the only one i know of that has nutrient partioning effects that actually cause fat loss.... so saying VAR burns more fat than dbol... asinine

only one person here gets my You're not a Tard award.. rest of you .. read a book.

I wish you were around 6 months ago when I stated almost the same damn thing about anavar and like 20 people jumped in saying var burns fat.......

~Haz~

[alexISthrowed]

I know but its more of a bulking compound imo.

var/tren are the best at cutting imo.

you have never run a cycle therefore you dont know what works the best at cutting. Please stop giving people advice you do not know what you are talking about.

[taiboxa]

can someone explain what the point of anavar is then if it doesnt burn fat?

it is for WOMEN! it has amazing anabolic properties working greatly to aid in protein synthesis and maintaining a positive nitrogen balance but its no.. "BIG HITTER" since it lacks in the androgenic area unlike tren.

thus it help you retain muscle when in a caloric deficit diet w/ lil to no sides.

other then that i hate var.. infact in the past.. 6years .. pretty much every chica i have dated seriously i ended up giving them var just to increase their sex drive (w/o male sides) to make them worth while.. (other than the love of my life [who i am with right now and for ever.. and i am writing this of my own free will and not because she has an account on here and can check up on me] who has an uncannily amazing libido and satisfies me in every way possible)

So imo.. var is a female based steroid..
tbol is like super Var.. its gay.. but not flamingly gay..

"Knowledge is power" i hope this public service announcement helped in some sort of way...

[AlphaMaleDawg]

it is for WOMEN! it has amazing anabolic properties working greatly to aid in protein synthesis and maintaining a positive nitrogen balance but its no.. "BIG HITTER" since it lacks in the androgenic area unlike tren.

thus it help you retain muscle when in a caloric deficit diet w/ lil to no sides.

other then that i hate var.. infact in the past.. 6years .. pretty much every chica i have dated seriously i ended up giving them var just to increase their sex drive (w/o male sides) to make them worth while.. (other than the love of my life [who i am with right now and for ever.. and i am writing this of my own free will and not because she has an account on here and can check up on me] who has an uncannily amazing libido and satisfies me in every way possible)

So imo.. var is a female based steroid..
tbol is like super Var.. its gay.. but not flamingly gay..

"Knowledge is power" i hope this public service announcement helped in some sort of way...

I lol'd. Dam I kind of regret buying 300 tabs of 10mg var. I bought it thinking i would use it for my second cycle, but i didnt end up using it. Maybe I can sell it to a friend or something lol

[taiboxa]

I lol'd. Dam I kind of regret buying 300 tabs of 10mg var. I bought it thinking i would use it for my second cycle, but i didnt end up using it. Maybe I can sell it to a friend or something lol

i like var by its self.. its hardly suppressive.. its like an UberSupplement. .. i'd run it by its self during a cutting phase to reduce LBM loss while dieting hard

[AlphaMaleDawg]

i like var by its self.. its hardly suppressive.. its like an UberSupplement. .. i'd run it by its self during a cutting phase to reduce LBM loss while dieting hard

yea but I can't use it when I am off other things like test, right? If I could use it between cycles as a bridge, it would be very useful for me but I don't know if that is such a good idea. What do you think?

[danielli]

i like var by its self.. its hardly suppressive.. its like an UberSupplement. .. i'd run it by its self during a cutting phase to reduce LBM loss while dieting hard

maybe a dumb question so I hope I don't get flamed, but if it's "hardly suppressive", is a PCT still needed? I've read some say yes, and some say no. I know it's probably an individual thing, different from person to person...in general do most "need" PCT after a VAr only cycle?

Or when you say "by itself" do you mean for a bridge cycle only during a PCT?

[2jz_calgary]

ive never done var. Its kindof funny if you look at the steroid profile section under var it says no pct is needed. Id never run var alone so it really dosent apply to me but its interesting none the less.

[danielli]

ive never done var. Its kindof funny if you look at the steroid profile section under var it says no pct is needed. Id never run var alone so it really dosent apply to me but its interesting none the less.

exactly...that's waht I'm getting at. I think there is a lot of conflicting opinions on this topic.

Taiboxa, what do you think...PCT or no?