help with cycle.test E,d-bol,hgh.

[prodaddy]

i am 34 years old,190 pounds 6ft 5".im in decent shape,but not a bodybuilder.i have been into martial arts all my life,and competitive softball.Im a father and want to make sure that anything im doing will not harm me to the point that i can not be a provider for my kids.I have had some shoulder issues in the past and started taking 6 iu a day of hgh about 2 months back.i have had no side effects,and i seem to sleep better and recover faster from hard days at the ballfield and or from rolling during ju jit su class.I am looking for a bigger gain in strenghth and just got 100 d-bol pills and test E 250 from a reliable friend and would love some advice on how to run a clean and safe cycle with this and what post cycle.I was told 10-12 weeks,and i will get good gains for some more power on my softball swing,and a little more grunt on the mats.thanks for all of the advice.


i take my normal animal pack vitamins,liver ease and fish oil everyday,i started the d-bol and test today.shot 250mg and 3 d-bol pills.i was told to do the 3 pills a day and the shot once a week for two weeks and then bump it to twice a week,this should work out to be a 10-12 week cycle.is there any advice i can get on this info and should i be taking anything else(stronger milk thistle..etc) and a good post cycle would be great also.thanks for all the advice.

[prodaddy]

guys i could really use some advice on all of this,i posted in the newbie section a few days ago(no response),and posted this last night and was excited to see my response this morning(no response).i noticed similar post after mine with over 10 replies.im asking for your help and advice,and appreciate any suggestions.

[sixxer]

Dbols Weeks 1-4 50mg/day (take twice daily, so 25mg AM, 25mg pre workout)
Test E Weeks 1-12 750mg/week (shoot twice weekly, 375mg Tuesday night, 375mg Saturday morning)

PCT
Nolvadex Weeks 1-2 40mgs/day Weeks 3-6 20mgs/day
Clomid Weeks 1-4 50mg/day

You may want to have an AI (Aromasin on hand for during cycle in case sides become too prominent. 750mg of Test E is only about 500mg of actual Testosterone so you should be sweet.

[sixxer]

I would've suggested another cycle altogether considering your goals.

But my response is only for what you've already stated you have so if getting other compounds is an option for you, let me know.

[sixxer]

I would've suggested another cycle altogether considering your goals.

But my response is only for what you've already stated you have so if getting other compounds is an option for you, let me know.

[danielli]

Dbols Weeks 1-4 50mg/day (take twice daily, so 25mg AM, 25mg pre workout)
Test E Weeks 1-12 750mg/week (shoot twice weekly, 375mg Tuesday night, 375mg Saturday morning)

PCT
Nolvadex Weeks 1-2 40mgs/day Weeks 3-6 20mgs/day
Clomid Weeks 1-4 50mg/day

You may want to have an AI (Aromasin on hand for during cycle in case sides become too prominent. 750mg of Test E is only about 500mg of actual Testosterone so you should be sweet.

Not trying to hijack...but what do you mean 750mg of TestE is only 500mg of Test???

[prodaddy]

Thanks for the advice,also you said 2 a day on the dbol for weeks 1 thru 4.what about weeks 5-8?.also i am on hgh.6 iu a day.also what needle do you recomend for the test?and where to shoot it.all i had was the 27 gauge that i use for my hgh and it was slow.i shot the test in my shoulder and been sore two days now.

[D_iamond]

250mg equals 170-180 test because the ester is counted in the weight of the test they can not be seperated to weigh soo just multiply it out to figure what dose you are really getting however there is no need to compansate because no one aqlters there dose recomendations with this so 500-600 mg test enth a week is standard for beginers even though you would not get that much test really it is still what you would start a tfor good gains

[sixxer]

Not trying to hijack...but what do you mean 750mg of TestE is only 500mg of Test???

Testosterone Enanthate only contains approx 60-70mg of Testosterone per 100mg. I think it's 67.XXmg, or therabouts. Because the weight of the ester (enanthate is included). Therefor, 750mg of Test E is only 525mg of Testosterone, at the MOST, more than likely a little less.

[sixxer]

Thanks for the advice,also you said 2 a day on the dbol for weeks 1 thru 4.what about weeks 5-8?.also i am on hgh.6 iu a day.also what needle do you recomend for the test?and where to shoot it.all i had was the 27 gauge that i use for my hgh and it was slow.i shot the test in my shoulder and been sore two days now.

You could possibly run the dbols through to week 6. However they're just used as a jump start till the Test E starts to take effect. Usually around week 4-5. Most of the weight gained from dbol will be water and you will lose it anyway, though the strength gains will generally stick around when the Test kicks in.

A 23g should be sufficient, 27g is too small. You can draw with a 19g, then attach the 23g to pin. Rotate your injections between glutes, quads & delts.

Might want to run some Milk Thistle while on the dbols too.

[sixxer]

250mg equals 170-180 test because the ester is counted in the weight of the test they can not be seperated to weigh soo just multiply it out to figure what dose you are really getting however there is no need to compansate because no one aqlters there dose recomendations with this so 500-600 mg test enth a week is standard for beginers even though you would not get that much test really it is still what you would start a tfor good gains

I'd say 175 at the most, more than likely a touch under 170mg.

I don't know about no one adjusting there doses to reflect the actual amount of Test they are injecting. Maybe when running Prop as 100mg nets about 90mg, I think of actual Test, so the difference is rather insignificant. However with E and C esters it is a pretty big difference.

I found until I increased my dose of E or C to 750-800mg/week gains weren't that great. Sides did not increase, for me, from 500 to 800mg either.

[prodaddy]

You could possibly run the dbols through to week 6. However they're just used as a jump start till the Test E starts to take effect. Usually around week 4-5. Most of the weight gained from dbol will be water and you will lose it anyway, though the strength gains will generally stick around when the Test kicks in.

A 23g should be sufficient, 27g is too small. You can draw with a 19g, then attach the 23g to pin. Rotate your injections between glutes, quads & delts.

Might want to run some Milk Thistle while on the dbols too.

Thank you,this is the answers i was looking for,i am taking my second injection of test today.also do you see any reason i would have any problems continuing my 6 iu a day of hgh?i usually split it up 3 iu in morn and 3 at night,is it ok to just pin all 6 at once,any benifits either way?also i just pin the hgh in my stomach,any reason to do it anywhere else?thanks again for all the great advice.

[prodaddy]

Dont know if it is just from overduing my workouts tje last two days or just not use to the dbol or combo of the dbol mixed with my vitamins or what,but i feel drained and sore all over,my joints all hurt and my stomach musclesfeels like i did 2500 situps.i had planned to make today an easy day and just do a quick 5 mile run,but took the day off to rest.

[rc3477]

dont mean to post jack but...

sixxer what do you mean when it says 1-4 or 1-12?

Dbols Weeks 1-4 50mg/day (take twice daily, so 25mg AM, 25mg pre workout)
Test E Weeks 1-12 750mg/week (shoot twice weekly, 375mg Tuesday night, 375mg Saturday morning)

[prodaddy]

Pretty sure he means to take the dbol for the first four weeks(1-4)to jump start test intill it gets going and then continue the test for the full twelve week cycle(1-12).from what i have been told and reading, the dbol is only needed for 4 to 6 weeks and usually just used to jump start a cycle.

[danielli]

250mg equals 170-180 test because the ester is counted in the weight of the test they can not be seperated to weigh soo just multiply it out to figure what dose you are really getting however there is no need to compansate because no one aqlters there dose recomendations with this so 500-600 mg test enth a week is standard for beginers even though you would not get that much test really it is still what you would start a tfor good gains

Testosterone Enanthate only contains approx 60-70mg of Testosterone per 100mg. I think it's 67.XXmg, or therabouts. Because the weight of the ester (enanthate is included). Therefor, 750mg of Test E is only 525mg of Testosterone, at the MOST, more than likely a little less.

Thanks guys.

[rc3477]

thanks prodaddy

[prodaddy]

im still very sore today,but i honestly think that the soreness is just from overdueing it at the gym.i think that since i am only about a week into my cycle(30 mg a day of d-bol,1.5cc twice a week of test e250,and 6iu a day(3 iu twice a day),that the test and d-bol is not really into my system yet and i am just over pumped with the idea of what is coming soon and just gave it a little too much at the gym,either that or my body was just not use to the d-bol pills and needed yesterday to just feel the soreness out of me.either way,im feeling a ton better today after taking all of yesterday off and resting.i still took it easy today and only did a mild cardio workout and just did stomach and isometic excersises today,i will get back to the weights tomorrow and can"t wait to see the results within the next few weeks when the test really starts to kick in.