After years, I'm ready!

[FleshDevil]

I started lifting at 13 yrs. and wrestled in high school,after joining the army I got away from it for a good 20 yrs.

In 2001 I started lifting again,then had a 2 yr. job injury break in 06'. I've been at it hard since beginning 08'.

The profile pic is me,and I'm 43. At 6'0" 235lbs. I've gained great mass,but I know there is an untapped reserve just waiting to be utilized. I did a cycle of M1T back in 04' and really enjoyed the gains,(11lbs) in 6 wks. So I am a noob to this.

Which brings me here,My doc tells me I'm healthy as a horse,and my TL was 299.I told him what I had planned, he told me at my age and health with the goals I had,should be no problem if done correctly.He is a bodybuilder also.

I DO not like needles,and prefer not to use them.I was told to gather info from a site where there are experienced builders and was pointed here.So far the doc and a few others are pointing me to a Var cycle.

My arms 17.5 in. Chest 50in. Neck 19in. Waist 36 BF12.75% maybe.

Need advice on doses,cycle time and if any PCT. Doc won't give me any of that info,just thoughts. Thanks for any advice I might recieve here and I'm glad to be here.

[AlphaGenetics]

My advice to you is to read the stickies on the top of this page and then come back with question. At your age a test cycle would benefit you most.

[2jz_calgary]

yeah if you want to really try steroids you will have to man up and jab! plus orals are harder on your system anyhow.

[FleshDevil]

Thanks Alpha,I've read all the stickies. I will not use a needle,no matter what.

I'm not looking to become a pro,or semi pro competitor,just trying to overcome my current sticking point and gaining a little more size. I'm currently 5 mos. in on a 1 yr bulk,my diet is dialed in and I have yrs. of lifting experience.

I'll take my chances on the orals and just need some input in that direction. Thanks guys.

[Tyler694]

... I DO not like needles,and prefer not to use them.I was told to gather info from a site where there are experienced builders and was pointed here.So far the doc and a few others are pointing me to a Var cycle. ...

If you are wanting to put on mass, I doubt anavar would satisfy what you are looking for.. Like said above, man up (no offense) and pin. It's not really that bad..

... My arms 17.5 in. Chest 50in. Neck 19in. Waist 36 BF12.75% maybe. ...

Are you sure that is your BF%? Not meaning to cause offense, but judging by the picture you look a bit higher.. Maybe you can most some front pics? Also, the vets here are going to ask for your diet. Get all that info together and post it up..

[Team Mentzer]

Maybe a 4 week cycle of D-bol w/ liver care and 3 weeks of Primo

[Tyler694]

... I'll take my chances on the orals and just need some input in that direction. Thanks guys.

When I first started using AAS I did the same thing and "took my chances on orals". I wish I would have listened.

They wreaked total havoc on my liver levels and my lipid profile. Not only that, but the results of my orals only cycle were minute. Within 2 months even with a proper diet and training regiment, most of the gains were gone.

[Tyler694]

Maybe a 4 week cycle of D-bol w/ liver care and 3 weeks of Primo

[FleshDevil]

I will Tyler and your right about the BF,a buddy did it according to my stats,probably closer to 16% is my guess.

I've done alot of reading on orals,seems some are very hard on the liver,and others not.And alot of liver therapy is involved with the harder orals.

I'm really against injections.And Have read there are hazards either way.

[FleshDevil]

Here's my bulk diet:

Morn: 6 eggs w/2 whites, 1/2 cup oats,cup LF yogurt

Post W/O shake 60g protien Cytogainer w/1 1/2 cup1% milk

Brunch: 8oz. chick breast,1 1/2 cup steamed broccoli, half avacado

lunch:Can albacore tuna,1 1/2 cup sphagetti w/sauce

Dinner: 8 oz. ribeye,baked potato,1 1/2 cup brocoli

Late shake again 2 hrs before bed.

[Tyler694]

I know you are against pinning, but you will see soo much more with some test..

[FleshDevil]

I've just read through a whole bunch of opinions here on orals and darts,seems you are right Tyler and the majority has the same thought here and on other sites.

I'm not afraid of darts,just apprehensive,you know the whole hittin' the wrong thing when injecting. I do want to do it clean and right the first time though.

I'm gonna think on this awhile after more reading.

[ottomaddox]

If you are not ready to inject, then your not ready for steroids. Punch yourself in the leg, that hurts more than injections. Man Up.

[Tyler694]

Well, hopefully you decide to pin. Like I said, I can personally attest to how much oral only cycles blow.

(Read that post^) Very true.

[cherrydrpepper]

FleshDevil I know you think pinning is bad but do a lot of reading. These are techniques that really work to make it not so bad:
1. Have a friend or doc do it after reading all the info about how to do it right a few times
2. Lean back on a couch and close your eyes or stare at a dot on the ceiling
3. Sing a song
4. Some people imagine its a "bee sting"

[makelovenotwar21]

OP serious suggestion if you have a fear/phobia of needles have you thought about going to a hypnotist? It works like a charm for a lot of people.

[FleshDevil]

Hey guys I'm not scared of pins,I've just heard horror stories of legs and glutes swelling,continual bleeding after pulling out,hard spots at injection site,air bubble infections.

All that will make a guy stop and think a little.The main reason for the oral only cycle is I have read that you can make excellent gains if done right,with minimal liver problems.

It was explained to me last night that the difference between the two would be like saying if you switch from heroin to acid you'll get higher,when in truth both will get you there.Just sayin'.

[Ashop]

My advice to you is to read the stickies on the top of this page and then come back with question. At your age a test cycle would benefit you most.

Thats good advice. At your age, TEST may be the best choice but if you decide to go an oral route only,,ANAVAR is a smart choice.

[ottomaddox]

I've been injecting 1 cc @200mgsish per week and have never had an infection or any pain, stop being a *****...................

Hey guys I'm not scared of pins,I've just heard horror stories of legs and glutes swelling,continual bleeding after pulling out,hard spots at injection site,air bubble infections.

All that will make a guy stop and think a little.The main reason for the oral only cycle is I have read that you can make excellent gains if done right,with minimal liver problems.

It was explained to me last night that the difference between the two would be like saying if you switch from heroin to acid you'll get higher,when in truth both will get you there.Just sayin'.

[ghettoboyd]

im using prop for the first time and injecting eod for 8 weeks..... not trying to be a dink but if you really want it then you need to man up and muscle through it....its really not that bad, once you try it youll laugh at yourself for being such a girly.....

[FleshDevil]

I've decided to go for it,I will run a test only cycle for my first aas experience.Hell ya only live once,might as well get big before ya croak.Just gonna have to decide from where, and how much.

[2jz_calgary]

try a basic begginers cycle to test the waters. Since you havnt injected and are somewhat scared of it which i was too, id choose a longer ester like test e or test c. That way youll only have to inject twice a week. A dose like 500mg per week should be a good start for you. Make sure you have an ai on hand and your pct sorted out before you start good luck!

[FleshDevil]

I was considering Letro for ai and UCDA for pct. What's your thoughts?

Also wondering if 250 mg was a little high for single inj.?

[2jz_calgary]

letro is pretty strong and may lower estrogen too much. Id personally run arimidex but keep it on hand and use it if needed. 250mg injected twice weekly (3.5 days apart) is pretty common for a beginners cycle. and pct should consist of a nolva/clomid combo. Udca is only for liver protection, which you will only really need if you decide to run an oral at start of cycle

[FleshDevil]

Thanks 2jz for the heads up.I'll do some more reading before I start,maybe pick some more brains here.

Sure appreciate the advice from you vets.

[2jz_calgary]

we all have to learn somwhere. Its better to learn before medicating lol

[barnyap]

The horror stories you have heard are from users being not hygenic or using wrong technique, if you follow correct procedures everytime, im sure you will be fine, over the 1000's of injections i have done ive only hit a blood vessel maybe 10 times, and its not even that bad, just remember, sterile and aspirate

[FleshDevil]

oops!

[FleshDevil]

Now I'm really confused! I go to the gym today and my doc is there with his jacked buddies and we start talking about what I'm getting ready to do.

He gets pissed as shit and asks what ****tards am I asking advice from? He finally tells me that he has never inj. any gear,he has always used orals only.

This guy and his friends are jacked,I would love to have the mass and definition they have,I'm not small,but these guys look like old school BB's.He kinda reminds me of Ken Waller.

He tells me that the Var only for 4 weeks was to test your body on an oral only cycle.If everything goes good then a stack would be the next step.

11 week cycle:
D-bol 30-40mg ED for 6 wks.
Winstrol 25-50mg starting in the 3rd week ED until wk 8
Anavar 30-40mg ED wks 6,7,8
Nolva 40,20,20mg's wks 9,10,11

[D_iamond]

your doc is a croc bro test only is the way to go for a first cycle i think its good as the only thing to use peroid your doc is straight wrong bro he is jacked prolly cause he hardly ever comes off and prolly addministers trt to himself via test gel

[2jz_calgary]

ya man dont listen to him as that proposed oral cycle is terrible and will do more harm than good. Listen to people on this site and you wont be dissapointed.

[barnyap]

thats a death cycle, ask ur doc how his liver is doing

[FleshDevil]

Man that's what I was thinkin',how much of that could anyones liver take?

He's either lying or he's got an iron liver!

[barnyap]

these old school bodybuilders are not as educated as they are these days, i recommend taking advice from this board over a few old school bodybuilders at your gym, and down the track you can make ur own decisions, but that cycle is just absolutely horrible...

[FleshDevil]

Man I did an M1t cycle when it first came out with no pct because everyone thought it was just another PH.It was pretty rough on me,I had great gains but lost 50% of it in a couple months.I couldn't imagine taking all that if M1T was being compared to D-bol

[Tyler694]

Yeah, wow.. Don't listen to those guys.

Run test only..

[FleshDevil]

My 1st run will be test,I've read alot more on this forum and a few others and the high possibility of liver problems makes me wonder if I should ever use them.

[AlphaGenetics]

Test isnt only an excellent muscle builder but at your age it will most likely improve your overall mood and sex drive. Test is all I run anymore and Ive done alot of compounds, nothing compares.

[FleshDevil]

Well I'm back,after more reading and a new doc. I have now been prescribed test cyp and recieve 10 refills per year(2000mg vials) which at 500mg for a beginner cycle will only take me 4 weeks per vial.

The only problem is I have to have authorization before I can order more vials,meaning after my first one I just can't order another right away.

I have my arimidex and nolva on hand,my diet is in check and I'm ready.My question is would it be ok to run a 300mg a week cycle for 7 weeks for my first ever cycle or will I not see the results I seek.I know the norm is 500 mg a week,but I'm going to have to wait 3 months for that 2nd vial.And I'm basically sick of waiting now.Thoughts?

Ah **** it,I got no choice I'm gonna run it like that anyway 100 mg test cyp EOD for 7 weeks.