Best fat burner?

[bigbuzzy]

What is the best fat burner out there?

[Morgoth]

Clenbutrol.

[NotSmall]

lol - Get ready for all the smartasses to jump in with "Diet and Cardio"

[Knockout_Power]

lol - Get ready for all the smartasses to jump in with "Diet and Cardio"

its to be expected though... Clen or DNP, or ECA stacks + cheeseburgers will not = results

[barnyap]

bunsen burner

[Tyler694]

DNP, Clen, Clen/T3, ECA, ECY (Y = Yohimbine), Albuterol


Oh.. and I have heard that even eating cheeseburgers on DNP will still yield results..

[Matt]

lol - Get ready for all the smartasses to jump in with "Diet and Cardio"

Wouldnt say its a smart ass answer without knowing anything about the op..

If someone knows of a miracle drug that will strip fat better than cardio and diet then please let me know....

[corestorm]

EDITED/ to drop weight in boxing that and a mix of putting on garbage bags - sweaters and winterjackets and sitting in a sauna untill you pass out.

[Friend]

"Diet and Cardio"

[corestorm]

Yeah diet and cardio does help lol
Heres a good clean diet to use this with a kick of HC and you should shred weight off

Breakfast
0.5 cup Egg Beaters - Fleischmann's
0.5 each Grapefruit - pink or red 4" diam.
1 cup Milk - skim, no fat
1 pack Oatmeal - instant pkt.,maple, brn sugar Quaker


AM Snack
1 each Banana - med 8"

Lunch
4 ounce(s) Chicken Breast / White Meat
0.25 1 cup Croutons, seasoned
3 table spoon Oil & Vinegar - Wish-Bone, vinaigrette Lite
1 large Salad - lrg. garden w/tomato & onion

PM Snack
6 each Cracker/Nabisco - Low Saltines
2.5 table spoon Mayonnaise - KRAFT Free, fat free
1 table spoon Relish - pickle
4 ounce(s) Tuna Solid White -Water Sm. can

Dinner
1 1 cup Broccoli, frozen, chopped, boiled, drained, no salt
0.5 cup Brown Rice - cooked
4 ounce(s) Halibut - broiled
1.5 table spoon Oil & Vinegar - Wish-Bone, vinaigrette Lite
1 small Salad - sm. garden w/tomato, onion

Evening Snack
6 ounce(s) Yogurt - Yoplait, Light, all flavors

thats a good start
if you send me your email ill give you a 7 day plan with a Grocery List and recipes - a good resturaunt guide

[sixxer]

I'd starve to death and kill someone before I died if I was stuck dieting on that.

[hkntbro]

try everything and find out what works best for you

[corestorm]

I'd starve to death and kill someone before I died if I was stuck dieting on that.

ahahaha
Some times the best way to diet is with a **** ton of cardio and a SHITTY diet

[Markosterone]

tren,vinny, and a fatburner like clen. plus diet and some cardio, always works for me

[louiscypher]

Wouldnt say its a smart ass answer without knowing anything about the op..

If someone knows of a miracle drug that will strip fat better than cardio and diet then please let me know....

GH, Tren, Anavar, IGF 1 have all been shown to have a significant "fat burning" effect.
This is a site for people to learn the FACTS about these compounds. There seems to be no shortage of people who are more than willing to pull up a soap box and simply reply to an op asking the question at hand with "diet and cardio".

Heres a plan all of these guys should start a site called dietandcardio.com.

[sixxer]

GH, Tren, Anavar, IGF 1 have all been shown to have a significant "fat burning" effect.
This is a site for people to learn the FACTS about these compounds. There seems to be no shortage of people who are more than willing to pull up a soap box and simply reply to an op asking the question at hand with "diet and cardio".

Heres a plan all of these guys should start a site called dietandcardio.com.

Yeh, I know what you're saying.

It is worse than the 'only use Test for your first cycle and if you refuse to I will not offer any advice at all, so I really don't give a fcuk if you really make a mess of things' shit.

[lovbyts]

Agreed, Sorry notsmallpaul

Diet, cardio and if you need it ECA stack.

[sixxer]

Ok, what about for someone sitting on 9% bodyfat, obviously has diet in check, cardio is a part of their training program and they need to maintain strength levels but drop a couple kilograms to compete at 82.5kg in their OLing weight class. Obviously maintaining strength means maintaining muscle in this situation, as well as intensity as neuromuscular adaptations can not afford to be lost.

Sometimes the cool & cliched response of 'diet & cardio' just doesn't cut it.

You mean to tell me there are NO compounds, supplements or meds that will serve someone well in this situation (not to mention countless others)?

[Matt]

GH, Tren, Anavar, IGF 1 have all been shown to have a significant "fat burning" effect.
This is a site for people to learn the FACTS about these compounds. There seems to be no shortage of people who are more than willing to pull up a soap box and simply reply to an op asking the question at hand with "diet and cardio".

Heres a plan all of these guys should start a site called dietandcardio.com.

As i said in my original post to the op, without knowing anything about the op. I would advise cardio and diet everytime over giving endless lists of compounds...

For all we know the guy could be massively over weight, never visited a gym in his life and is 18years old......

Sure there are some great compouds out there that aid the reduction of fat but as i said, " if anyone knows of something that is better than cardio and diet, then please let me know.....

Lets not be the type of board where we advise that taking this and taking that is the cure or answer for everything...

[MaNiCC]

Diet and Cardio

If anybody can strip fat without that leave me a pm

[sixxer]

Ok, so if diet & cardio is in check. Which would be evident if someone gave stats of <10%. And maintaining strength and muscle mass is of great concern.

What aid to an already effective diet and training program would you advise?

[Matt]

Ok, what about for someone sitting on 9% bodyfat, obviously has diet in check, cardio is a part of their training program and they need to maintain strength levels but drop a couple kilograms to compete at 82.5kg in their OLing weight class. Obviously maintaining strength means maintaining muscle in this situation, as well as intensity as neuromuscular adaptations can not afford to be lost.

Sometimes the cool & cliched response of 'diet & cardio' just doesn't cut it.

You mean to tell me there are NO compounds, supplements or meds that will serve someone well in this situation (not to mention countless others)?

This is fine, then lets look at the various compounds of this person....

My point is we give the person a list of fat burners before we know anything about the....

[sixxer]

Diet and Cardio

If anybody can strip fat without that leave me a pm

Btw, I can drop fat by only altering my diet and running NO cardio.

I can also drop fat by not altering my diet and adding a lot of cardio.

The two work well together.

However, too much cardio can hinder fat loss. Incorrect cardio can also have undesirable affects.

And a calorie deficit ran for too long can also adversely affect ones fat loss goals.

So, a little bit more detail than 'cardio & diet' would actually be of more help. And again, this response would be different for someone on 20% bf and someone on 10%.

The response 'cardio & diet' actually does nothing for no one.

[sixxer]

This is fine, then lets look at the various compounds of this person....

My point is we give the person a list of fat burners before we know anything about the....

The compounds being ran by the person described in my post?

Or are you referring to the OP?

I guess the OP's question was far too vague to receive a detailed response, and perhaps deserves a vague and useless response such as 'diet & cardio'.

However, considering this is steriod.com, one could assume a poster is a user of AAS. Either on or off cycle. Possibly an athlete or BBer, maybe professional or simply a hobbyist. Either way, one could assume they are involved in training and carry a reasonable physique and is primarily concerned with maintaining LBM and strength and if they put forth a question regarding fat loss, one would not be out of line in assuming that they wish to add something to their cycle or to their program (which already involves an appropriate diet and cardio) to increase the speed of fat loss, or start/continue fat loss while maintaining muscle and strength. Or achieve rather low bodyfat levels.

[Matt]

The compounds being ran by the person described in my post?

Or are you referring to the OP?

I guess the OP's question was far too vague to receive a detailed response, and perhaps deserves a vague and useless response such as 'diet & cardio'.

However, considering this is steriod.com, one could assume a poster is a user of AAS. Either on or off cycle. Possibly an athlete or BBer, maybe professional or simply a hobbyist. Either way, one could assume they are involved in training and carry a reasonable physique and is primarily concerned with maintaining LBM and strength and if they put forth a question regarding fat loss, one would not be out of line in assuming that they wish to add something to their cycle or to their program (which already involves an appropriate diet and cardio) to increase the speed of fat loss, or start/continue fat loss while maintaining muscle and strength. Or achieve rather low bodyfat levels.

I just read my own post and im supprised you made sense of it...

You gave an example of a person that may need that little extra help in reducing his bf and i agreed that there are some great compounds out there like tren and hgh that may assist....

When you know as many people on this site as i do you will understand that some of them dont even workout, some have never touched steroids and never will...

When you have been here as long as i have you will realise that many young kids come here for a quick fix...

Before we give any advice it is important to know as much about the op as possible to best direct him/her on the right path...

[MaNiCC]

I just read my own post and im supprised you made sense of it...

You gave an example of a person that may need that little extra help in reducing his bf and i agreed that there are some great compounds out there like tren and hgh that may assist....

When you know as many people on this site as i do you will understand that some of them dont even workout, some have never touched steroids and never will...

When you have been here as long as i have you will realise that many young kids come here for a quick fix...

Before we give any advice it is important to know as much about the op as possible to best direct him/her on the right path...

could not agree more


To the op the simple answer is diet and cardio, those are the basic starting points, if people are not willing to have those as starting points and expect a substance to do all the work it isn't going to be very long before they realise they are pissing in the wind and need a new hobby

[Bossman]

A fat burner is just an aid. It helps a bit, but if you don't have a diet in order the benefit will hardly be worth it IMO.

[NotSmall]

Agreed, Sorry notsmallpaul

Diet, dardio and if you need it ECA stack.

lol No need to apologise - I do not disagree that diet must be in check and that cardio is necessary for the majority of people (me especially) but not everyone needs to do cardio in order to lose bodyfat.

No drug will turn the corner for you but they can vastly accelerate the rate of fat loss once you have tipped the scales that way via your diet and training (with or without cardio)

I just find it amusing that whenever I see a thread asking about fat burning compounds there are always 20 guys that think "Ooo ooo I know this one, here's my chance to look smart" and chime in with "Diet & Cardio"

[MaNiCC]

lol No need to apologise - I do not disagree that diet must be in check and that cardio is necessary for the majority of people (me especially) but not everyone needs to do cardio in order to lose bodyfat.

No drug will turn the corner for you but they can vastly accelerate the rate of fat loss once you have tipped the scales that way via your diet and training (with or without cardio)

I just find it amusing that whenever I see a thread asking about fat burning compounds there are always 20 guys that think "Ooo ooo I know this one, here's my chance to look smart" and chime in with "Diet & Cardio"

you consider that a smart response? as Matt said its hard to recommend something to the op when we know very little about them

[Bossman]

lol No need to apologise - I do not disagree that diet must be in check and that cardio is necessary for the majority of people (me especially) but not everyone needs to do cardio in order to lose bodyfat.

No drug will turn the corner for you but they can vastly accelerate the rate of fat loss once you have tipped the scales that way via your diet and training (with or without cardio)

I just find it amusing that whenever I see a thread asking about fat burning compounds there are always 20 guys that think "Ooo ooo I know this one, here's my chance to look smart" and chime in with "Diet & Cardio"

So many want to believe that there is an easy way out. A magic pill that will burn the fat and give them the beach body they desire within 30 days. That's the information they're hoping to hear. There is no easy way. And you start with diet and cardio. So for most, "diet and cardio" is the appropriate answer.

[alexISthrowed]

Yeah diet and cardio does help lol
Heres a good clean diet to use this with a kick of HC and you should shred weight off

Breakfast
0.5 cup Egg Beaters - Fleischmann's
0.5 each Grapefruit - pink or red 4" diam.
1 cup Milk - skim, no fat
1 pack Oatmeal - instant pkt.,maple, brn sugar Quaker


AM Snack
1 each Banana - med 8"

Lunch
4 ounce(s) Chicken Breast / White Meat
0.25 1 cup Croutons, seasoned
3 table spoon Oil & Vinegar - Wish-Bone, vinaigrette Lite
1 large Salad - lrg. garden w/tomato & onion

PM Snack
6 each Cracker/Nabisco - Low Saltines
2.5 table spoon Mayonnaise - KRAFT Free, fat free
1 table spoon Relish - pickle
4 ounce(s) Tuna Solid White -Water Sm. can

Dinner
1 1 cup Broccoli, frozen, chopped, boiled, drained, no salt
0.5 cup Brown Rice - cooked
4 ounce(s) Halibut - broiled
1.5 table spoon Oil & Vinegar - Wish-Bone, vinaigrette Lite
1 small Salad - sm. garden w/tomato, onion

Evening Snack
6 ounce(s) Yogurt - Yoplait, Light, all flavors

thats a good start
if you send me your email ill give you a 7 day plan with a Grocery List and recipes - a good resturaunt guide

This must be ferocious bubblebutts diet

[louiscypher]

As i said in my original post to the op, without knowing anything about the op. I would advise cardio and diet everytime over giving endless lists of compounds...

For all we know the guy could be massively over weight, never visited a gym in his life and is 18years old......

Sure there are some great compouds out there that aid the reduction of fat but as i said, " if anyone knows of something that is better than cardio and diet, then please let me know.....

Lets not be the type of board where we advise that taking this and taking that is the cure or answer for everything...

Good point 007 but the op did ask a straight answer. you admitted in your prior statement that there are compounds that have been scientifically and anecdotally proven to burn fat. You chose to divert the thread in the direction of diet and cardio for fat loss before considering just givung a straight answer to a straight question. There is no advising involved with simply giving facts and not opinion.

[Bossman]

GH, Tren, Anavar, IGF 1 have all been shown to have a significant "fat burning" effect.
This is a site for people to learn the FACTS about these compounds. There seems to be no shortage of people who are more than willing to pull up a soap box and simply reply to an op asking the question at hand with "diet and cardio".

Heres a plan all of these guys should start a site called dietandcardio.com.

Have you used all of, or any of these compounds? I wouldn't say any have a significant fat burning effect. Do they give some aid in burning fat, yes in some, maybe. But the average Joe would most likely not notice any benefit if he did not already have a very low bf%. My personal experience and those around me that have used the compounds you listed didn't burn any noticeable fat. And the people I work with are bringing their bodies to an extremely low BF for competition.

[Knockout_Power]

What is the best fat burner out there?

not sure why people get so bent out of shape over people giving a "diet & cardio" answer... the OP's question does not actually ask for suppliment info... it says FAT BURNER... my diet (and I hardly do cardio in the true sense of the word) burns fat faster than any "cutters" I have used...

enough with the bickering, respect others responses whether they agree with you or not.

To the OP, there are tons of supplimental fat burners out there, whichever you choose, please weigh out the possible sides from each and not just go on what works... there are some dangerous sides to a lot of these compounds if done improperly... even the simple ECA stack has damaged those who did not educate themselves before doing "what their shredded buddy" told them works...

Clen, T3, DNP etc all have potential to help you, but also hurt you...

KP

[aussiecol]

I am sure this one is for the diet forum, but what is the best kind of diet to burn fat and at the same time retain as much muscle as possible.
Let's say someone with 18%BF.

[Knockout_Power]

I am sure this one is for the diet forum, but what is the best kind of diet to burn fat and at the same time retain as much muscle as possible.
Let's say someone with 18%BF.

yup, start a thread in the diet section. Lots of knowledgable guys in there. They will want your current eating plan so you might as wlel put that in there... and be honest, its the best way to help

[louiscypher]

Have you used all of, or any of these compounds? I wouldn't say any have a significant fat burning effect. Do they give some aid in burning fat, yes in some, maybe. But the average Joe would most likely not notice any benefit if he did not already have a very low bf%. My personal experience and those around me that have used the compounds you listed didn't burn any noticeable fat. And the people I work with are bringing their bodies to an extremely low BF for competition.

Tren worked extremely well for me. I dropped a significant amount of fat. I didn't change anything in my diet or training and it dropped my bf from 15% to 12% in 8 weeks. I will admit however I went back up to 13 - 14% after the cycle ended, but, some of my bf seems to be gone for good.

[Bossman]

Tren worked extremely well for me. I dropped a significant amount of fat. I didn't change anything in my diet or training and it dropped my bf from 15% to 12% in 8 weeks. I will admit however I went back up to 13 - 14% after the cycle ended, but, some of my bf seems to be gone for good.

You're not the first member to say that tren had burned fat for them. It's hard to argue when there are several people with anecdotal evidence saying the same thing. I haven't seen any weight loss on tren though, without a cutting diet in place.