No gains after 1st cycle???

[juicyfruit71]

Wow! So basically there's no reason to do more than one cycle? If that's the case then my mind just got blown away!

Don't get me wrong...at this point I'm starting to grasp how important diet is...it's just that I've been on a plateau now for the last 3 months...been doing everything I know to break it (changing routines, eating more, resting...etc) but it hasn't worked yet, and that's why I decided I wanted to do another cycle. I would hate to think I'm at my full potenial right now.

[Big]

Wow! So basically there's no reason to do more than one cycle? If that's the case then my mind just got blown away!

there is no reason to do any cycles if you don't keep adjusting the diet as to keep up with the new growth.

[juicyfruit71]

there is no reason to do any cycles if you don't keep adjusting the diet as to keep up with the new growth.

I totally understand that...and to be honest, I'm sure my diet isn't all that it should be. It's only been in the last 6 months that I realized how important it really is. It's still hard for me to accept though...that even if I was eating right, workin out right, doing the correct pct's...that I would still lose all my gains from any cycle from here on out. But...it seems to me, for the short time I've been on here, that you're the man Big...and though I might not like the answer, I tend to believe what you say...so I'm just a little fuked in the head right now.

[Big]

I totally understand that...and to be honest, I'm sure my diet isn't all that it should be. It's only been in the last 6 months that I realized how important it really is. It's still hard for me to accept though...that even if I was eating right, workin out right, doing the correct pct's...that I would still lose all my gains from any cycle from here on out. But...it seems to me, for the short time I've been on here, that you're the man Big...and though I might not like the answer, I tend to believe what you say...so I'm just a little fuked in the head right now.

you seem to be completely misunderstanding what I'm saying, I never said what you seem to think I said in either of your responses.
Let's start over, most people expect the steroids to do the work, therefore they do not effectively diet so as to keep the gains from subsequent cycles. that would not mean that with proper diet and training, pct, etc, the gains could not be kept.
this actually ties in closely with "genetic potential". most people do not wait till they have approached their genetic potential. with proper diet and training they would not reach a point where the gains are not keepable until they exceed their genetic potential.
if a guy is 5'10, 150lbs, then cycles and gains to 170lbs, keeping the same diet he started with, he will return to 150lbs whether it's his first or his 10th cycle.

[juicyfruit71]

you seem to be completely misunderstanding what I'm saying, I never said what you seem to think I said in either of your responses.
Let's start over, most people expect the steroids to do the work, therefore they do not effectively diet so as to keep the gains from subsequent cycles. that would not mean that with proper diet and training, pct, etc, the gains could not be kept.
this actually ties in closely with "genetic potential". most people do not wait till they have approached their genetic potential. with proper diet and training they would not reach a point where the gains are not keepable until they exceed their genetic potential.
if a guy is 5'10, 150lbs, then cycles and gains to 170lbs, keeping the same diet he started with, he will return to 150lbs whether it's his first or his 10th cycle.

Thanks for clearing that up! So bascially the statement that you can't keep your gains after the first cycle is bogus?...as long as you eat right and pct right.?

Now for the second question,...let's just say that I have reached my genetic potenial and then I do a cycle...will I still keep the gains if the diet and pct is right?