after listening to all of this I figure Ill chime in. the WMD that we "know" he had. i have a problem with this. Bush claimed that he could use them in 45 minutes. both before and during the war as we closed on Baghdad. well where are they? 45 minutes means a few things: 1) they are ready. you arent gonna be mixing binary chemical in this amount of time. 2) they are weapinzed. you arent gonna be filling canisters in this time. 3) they are deployable. meaning at or near forces to use them. you arent gonna be digging them up. so where are they? destroyed not likely, we would have found the residue, or if not you need a large facilty. moved? if we are talking tons then you need a convoy of trucks heading to syria why didnt we bomb them? the likelyhood is that either a) the intelligence community lied (which reports indicate lower level operatives tried to give good data like saying the 45 minute estimate was not reliable) or b) Bush lied to justify the war in an expedieent manner which is impeachable. This aint lying over sex. People died cause of this decision. It comes down to this. If you believe that we should have taken him out, then lay the facts on the table and either take the heat for a decision or do what the people want. his political maneuvering was over the top.

next. as for taking him out becuase hes a bad dude and terrorism. the us supported him. also the us supported other terrorists , we just didnt call them that. how about the shah? how about the sandanistas? how about pinochet? (killed a million) How about indonesia? (who asked us to look the other way while they killed a million ethnic chinese. thats why we didnt even get involved in that spat over the island. even the aussies had to do something). how about mobutu sese seko of zaire? (killed about 1 million ethnic minorities) all these people we have given money, weapons, and support. we even listed the KLA at one time as terroists and delisted them specifically to support them. They who said it was they duty of every kosovar albanian to RAPE a serbian woman. the US does not do things to help others only to help ourselves .

but you know what.. Im cool with that. we should just take our heads out the sand and admit it. not try to act high and mighty. like Red ketchup says for econmics ok

with iraq. was it because of WMD. no. iran, syria, N. korea, israel... all have them and we don't invade. was it cause of terrorism. see the previous point. was it cause of trying to kill bush senior. well we tried to kill saddam during 91. was it cause he already gassed people. that was in the 80's and we approved. cheney even went to iraq and shook saddam's hand afterward to improve ties. was it cause of ignoring the UN. no Israel and N. Korea do it all the time. plain and simple it was likely: to send a message, oil, and to gain a better foothole on the reagion as the saudies are unreliable.

now before anyof you say I am just a peacenik hippy. I advocated that we should of annihilated saddam in '86? whem he blew up the USS Stark. Anybody remember that? then again I think if you shoot at our boats we should eliminate your navy. same thing for everybody. I dont' care if you are iraq or israel . both have shot at us naval vessels in international water and are only allies of convenience.