first cycle - sust250

[muscle_bill]

My Stats-

Age: 24
Height: 5'10.5"
Weight: 178.2 lbs
BF%: Unsure but can post pics for referencing? I would guess around 15%
Cycle Exp: 8 weeks Anavar only w/ 2 weeks clomid pct
PCT Knowledge: learning more as i go, but i have read alot so far, serm's type I+II, sarm etc...
Training Exp: Approx. 8 years
Diet: is in progress, i will be looking for advice on diet as well once i figure out my cycle and figure out my current macros.

I am planning/hoping to start my first cycle Sept 5th assuming i get all my facts + chemicals straight by then.

My Goals:
If I can keep the vascularity train rolling that would be awesome. Veins are definitely my friend lol I'm not looking to be a mass monster, for a couple reasons. As funny as this may sound coming from a guy looking to use anabolic steroids, I don't want to put on too much mass - for health reasons. Mostly just because I have genetic high cholesterol and dont want to increase my risks of heart disease by being 30 or 40lbs "obese".
I would like to put on some new mass, increase my strength in all of my lifts, and in the end have a "hard" physique.. and as I said, if I can be vascular while doing it, even better!

Cycle in question:

Week 1-12 : 400mg/week Sustanon 250 - (inj. freq in question)
Week 7-14 : 40mg's ED Anavar
Week 1-17 : .5mg Liquidex every 3rd day (open to opinion on this as well)
Week 15-18 : Nolvadex 20mg/day
Week 15-17 : Clomid
-Clomid day 1: 300mg, day 2-11: 100mg day 12-21: 50mg

The basis of my questions fall into a couple different parts.

1- I know that generally speaking first cycle is recommended to be cyp or enth alone, which i understand, but as some say "test is test" and I can get sust more readily than c or e... Ive heard that sust isnt as much of a bulking compound while compared to longer estered test, any truth to that? Possibly with regards to water retention, to a lesser degree than prop?

2- Any thoughts on my plan for pct? I found that clomid protocol on another site and it sounds legit to me, but i wondered if that was common practice or if it sounds excessive/acceptable?

I have a feeling I will be prone to gyno, which is why I think the liquidex would be appropriate during cycle. Also, I wondered about swapping the Clomid for 20mg/ED Aromasin?

Any thoughts, questions, and/or input is greatly appreciated!

[HawaiianPride.]

1. Your too small to be doing steroids. You have natural growth left, A LOT of it.
2. You should have your PCT knowledge on check before you even consider Steroids.
3. 8 years of training experience and your not even 180lbs? How consistent were you?
4. You say your diet is in progress, this clearly shows your not ready for Steroids. You need to know how to diet before you mess with altering your hormones. You'll shrink back down to nothing when your cycle is up because you don't know how to diet right.
5. Your PCT is horrible. 600mg?! That's asking for vision problems among many other ill side effects. You DO NOT need that much clomid.
6. Sust is not for beginners. Simply because you'll never know the culprit of any ill side effects you get since your running a blend.
7. If you need help with PCT, glance at our PCT section on the boards. Many to choose from, and they all are effective.
8. Swapping Clomid for Exemstane is stupid. AI's should be kept during cycle. You can run it during PCT but it isn't a necessity.

Get your diet in check first, learn more about PCT, then come back when you know what your doing. Good luck.

[nikolai14]

im finishing up my first cycle which was sustanon backloaded with prop to take me into pct.. i got good gains, close to 20 lbs with very little water retention and my vascularity actually incresed quite a bit.. 400mgs a week seems a little on the low side.. youll also want to inject sustanon at least every 3 days if not every other day to take advantage of the short estered prop.. not sure about 600mgs of clomid, this seems excessive to me

[HawaiianPride.]

400mg is not low. Don't get caught up on the internet hype that 500mg+ is the golden rule to run Test at. I've ran 300mg of Enanthate at over 200lbs and made great gains. Keep that diet in check and training up to par you'll even grow on a simple HRT dosage.

[cybernox]

im finishing up my first cycle which was sustanon backloaded with prop to take me into pct.. i got good gains, close to 20 lbs with very little water retention and my vascularity actually incresed quite a bit.. 400mgs a week seems a little on the low side.. youll also want to inject sustanon at least every 3 days if not every other day to take advantage of the short estered prop.. not sure about 600mgs of clomid, this seems excessive to me

lol looks like I mixed nikolai with the OP.

Come on man. Its not about pumping steroids into your thats gonna help but making sense out of them.

20 lbs good gains ? I got 35 lbs gains with Test + Ocymeth.

Firstly @ 24 you still have an year or two to grow on your natural test. Also you should've used test for first cycle if it was that much needed.

Mixing up steroids for first cycle = no knowledge about side effects.

So ppl get gyno with specific steroid where others dont. If you come up with some side effect .. you'll never know what went wrong.

[muscle_bill]

this is why im posting it ahead of time
i know i shouldnt have ran the var first, but i did and its in the past now so all i can do is move forward and be smarter right?

in my defence, here are the links to the pct i was referencing:

http://www.*********.com/steroids/Po...%28PCT%29.html

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

and, as i just double checked, my memory served me wrong, the first day of clomid was 300mg. sorry for the mix up.

I like to think that I posted as much information as I could so that everyone could get the full picture, to save any simple stupid questions, so hawiianpride i do appreciate the list of tips, you do come off as harsh, but I'll take it lol im here to learn and hopefully achieve my goals just like everyone else, I believe this is the right place for me to be?
*nods*

as far as my weight goes, I was 191lbs back in jan this year and i decided i wanted to trim up abit so that by fall i would have a better idea of how much lean mass i have. im at the bottom end of my weight right now, i just hit it alot sooner than i should have and now im torn between changing my diet back to bulk up again early or not.

my training is very consistant though. in all honesty, im a single male living in small town ontario and work - gym - cook are pretty much my only daily regular occurrences. however, that also tells me that a) my diet needs improvement, and b) i have trouble getting enough sleep at night.

everybody gets flamed on here for "emergency questions" and "im on 3rd inject and something terrible happend" type questions so i like to think that im doing the right thing by asking ahead of time, even if it does end up being a year or two ahead of time, at least ill be better prepared.

[Bigdog99]

everybody gets flamed on here for "emergency questions" and "im on 3rd inject and something terrible happend" type questions so i like to think that im doing the right thing by asking ahead of time, even if it does end up being a year or two ahead of time, at least ill be better prepared.

well....the questions you asked were more thought out than most new guys I have seen come on here. Welcome to the board. Do some homework and good luck.

[muscle_bill]

im workin on it! lol slowly but surely, nothin but time

[stevensmith.1988]

i met this guy who sells testosterone, he claims to have sustanon, and testosviron (shering labs) delivered as individual amps?
from what i've seen in other threads and websites, testoviron is always boxed as a minimum of three amps per box. Is this guy lying? or is 1 amp per box possible?

[cobra305]

^ is it possible for you to start your own thread?

[muscle_bill]

good call cobra, wonder where that guy came from?

[nilrac]

@ OP
Is your Sustanon amp or vial? If it's amps, what is your procedure for drawing 400mg???

[Tyler694]

lol looks like I mixed nikolai with the OP.

Come on man. Its not about pumping steroids into your thats gonna help but making sense out of them.

20 lbs good gains ? I got 35 lbs gains with Test + Ocymeth.

Firstly @ 24 you still have an year or two to grow on your natural test. Also you should've used test for first cycle if it was that much needed.

Mixing up steroids for first cycle = no knowledge about side effects.

So ppl get gyno with specific steroid where others dont. If you come up with some side effect .. you'll never know what went wrong.

Not sure if this post was directed at Nikolai or not.. However, I would say that 20 lbs of QUALITY weight (muscle) is pretty good. At a 10 week cycle that is 2 lbs. / week. No water or fat and I'd say that's pretty good. There have been better gains, but there have for sure as hell been worse.

If you were talking to Nikolai, it makes no sense as mixing sust and prop are the same compound, different ester.

As far as the OP goes. A Sust cycle backloading with var is not the worst idea. Var is pretty mild. I would use a single ester though. Cyp!

[cybernox]

Not sure if this post was directed at Nikolai or not.. However, I would say that 20 lbs of QUALITY weight (muscle) is pretty good. At a 10 week cycle that is 2 lbs. / week. No water or fat and I'd say that's pretty good. There have been better gains, but there have for sure as hell been worse.

If you were talking to Nikolai, it makes no sense as mixing sust and prop are the same compound, different ester.

As far as the OP goes. A Sust cycle backloading with var is not the worst idea. Var is pretty mild. I would use a single ester though. Cyp!

Actually that post is quite mixed up. I was pointing to the OP. Nikola just got inbetween.

I was on 14 weeks of Test + Oxymeth and the gains the peak level were 40 lbs .. from that I lost 5 lbs in PCT phase. Still 35 lbs solid gains. Bodyfat is 12%-14% but yea it was a bulking cycle so bodyfat is fine at that range.

By 35/14 = 2.5, so its nearly same just 0.5 lbs gain maybe coz my body gives better result on steroids those add water retention to body ( Oxymeth). Also my water and fluid intake + protein was over the edge lol .. even got lactose intolerance then had to change the protein.. and was off milk all the time.

I would have gained more but my glute area got swollen and was a bit worried of injecting on other sites. Well wasnt a bad experience though. Next cycle starts after 90 days. So this time the results with multiple I thinking of using HGH + Test + Oxymeth or maybe Deca but still will be discussing on the forums. I'm looking for massive gains this time .. deca gain is good with water retention .. so I'm looking for 50 to 65 lbs gains.