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  1. #1
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    Firstly, I'm not advising you to take AAS, but what I write here is what I know about using it.

    People who take test, or any aromatising steroid, should Keep nolvadex on hand before they start a cycle, just in case. Personally I believe people should get all their PCT before starting in case there's a delay in getting it.

    People should know the risks before they begin, there's a risk of having to require TRT for their entire life in some form after using AAS? Just an FYI, people should start on a low dose. To not jump in with heavy doses, otherwise it's very difficult to handle the off cycle and people tend to lose alot more of their gains, even on pct.

    As an example it has been known for people to start off with orals. (I used Pronabol 5's...yeah I know...years ago). To do a few cycles of those to prep the body, then move onto Anapolon 50's. Then make the transition onto injectables.

    I have known personally people to be on only 250mg testoviron, and 100mg once per week....and still bench over 400, and 600 d lift, and only lose 5 or 6 pounds off cycle. What I'm getting at, is that is wasn't bottled strength alone.

    Gear only helps a person recover faster, it won't make a person huge on it's own, though I gather you know this. Thus there's no need to jump in heavy with 500mg etc, and I personally would not stack on first cycle.

    Once a person starts using test, it will likely mess up the persons HPTA. Inevitably people need to increase what they start off injecting to replace what they stop producing. There's a risk of hypogonadism, it's known as ASIH or Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism. Get familiar with all the side effect risks. It's impotant to stick to the cycles and to not cave in and stay on continuously...it'll mess up the AR (androgen receptors).

    If a person starts low...say 200/250mg of test per week...they should notice good gains..especially a person in their mid 20's who already has a high endogenous test production. Test Cyp has a good half life, and can stay pretty stable on a weekly shot.
    I know this because this is what I use, by prescription now for TRT.

    I believe cycles of 10 weeks on 3weeks off.....nolvadex on hand before the cycle is started.

    If a person chooses to do orals to start off, I believe it to be a 6 weeks on, 3 weeks off cycle....and to never go more than 6 weeks on orals. Too toxic.

    I know many people may not agree with what I write here, some may say more, it's just my opinion, but why start higher doses when it is not necessary in the beginning...I understand, through personal knowledge, that coming off 250mg test first time after 10 weeks is alot easier than coming off 500mg.

    A person should get used to the on/off cycles first, before considering upping doses.

    There's a few things I've written here that a person determined to undergo a cycle of AAS should nerd up on before beginning.
    1) Understand the effects and risks of Hypogonadism, and all other side effects of using AAS
    2) Where and how to do a Intramuscular injection, and the risk and symptoms of an infection.
    3) The importance of cycling (meaning how long to stay on, and why you must have a break, or off cycle)
    4) Post Cycle Therapy - what are HCG and Clomid used for and correct doses. Including when to use them
    5) The effects of Estrogen, Estradiol, and how synth test affects your LH and FSH, and SHBG (if you don't know what these are...you're not ready yet!!)
    6) Make sure you drink plenty of water on test...as you'll piss like a racehorse and frequently
    7) Test affects cholesterol, and Blood pressure. Personally it makes mine better..but I'm now on TRT...due to ASIH.... (ASIH caused my bp and cholesterol). Get these checked regularly.
    8) You'll likely get a bit of a mild headache when you start injecting test. It usually goes. If it don't, get checked out for blood pressure, etc.
    9) find yourself a very willing partner....or a few of them...lol..
    10) If you're determined to use them, start off low doses. it's your body at risk, and you only get one of 'em.

    Know I'll give you a personal history.

    I started on orals in 1993 in the UK. It's legal to possess and use AAS for personal use there without a prescription. I started off taking 4 pronobol 5mg per day moving upto 6 per day for the first 6 week cycle. Then had an off cycle of three weeks. Most of the gains were water, but the strength continuously increased and fast. I would lose half my gains in the off cycles. I did this a number of times until I was taking 10x 5mg pronobols per day. Then I moved onto Anapolon 50mg......these are very strong. Lots of gains in muscle and strength, but very toxic. These made me aggressive.
    I did two cycles of Anapolons and then made the transition to injectables.
    I started off with 250mg Testoviron once per week...that's it. No orals.
    I made steady gains and leaned out more, even on test. I did two cycles of this, and then added 100mg Primobolan once per week. I never took more than this amount, and yet I was a lean 250 pounds @ 5'10' and could bench 400 and dl over 500lbs. I would occasionally add Clenbuterol to my cycles.

    I took all of the anti estrogens, and PCT. I stopped training in 1996.
    My endogenous testosterone production did come back, but nowhere near where it was.
    It has steadily reduced year after year, and now at only 38 years old..I have the serum test level of only 141ng/dl.........this is the equivalent of a sick 90 year old.

    Luckily I produced just enough ten years ago to be able to father 3 kids.
    Now I am on permanent TRT......and thankfully now get my Testosterone by prescription, but that is with nearly 15 years of mood swings due to fluctuating test production, depression, and anxiety caused by hypogonadism, and lethargy, and severe fatigue, all this before I could get anyone to check my T level.

    I have known people to be misdiagnosed as bipolar before it's identified that hypogonadism is the cause of all their symptoms.

    I write this to make sure you understand the importance of maintaining your post cycle therapy, and should you ever stop using AAS, make sure you get your levels regularly checked, and maybe a series of HCG injections for a number of months will bring it all back if you're still young enough.

    This is why many people who start using AAS, need to understand it is a life changing decision, and possibly a life long one

    Good luck

  2. #2
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    thanks matey..

    Ok - I am getting a 10ml vial of Test and some dbol, I don't have the gear yet but confident of the source, also unsure how many ml/mg it is. will a 10ml be enough for a 10 week cycle?

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