Carcinogenic effects of Nolva and Clomid worrying me

[louiscypher]

Well i feel like though it may have been confrontational that he acurately desribed the pros and cons.

He showed studies and gave information that was helpful in understanding. I just go back to the fact that women are giving Nolva when they have breast CANCER.

If you are too afraid of cancer risks from 4 weeks of these serms then you need to look at the world. Many things run the risk of cancer. Hell changing your own oil can be a risk of cancer. So can standing by the microwave.

Is it common? No. Can it happen? Yes Will you stop using the microwave because it could potentially give you cancer? I dont think so

Point taken, I just feel he could have taken a more respectful approach than he did. Its like he was hostile toward us because we expressed concerns, and that we were hypocritical babies for trying to understand just how significant the risks of cancer were when using these drugs. Remember we were questioning the drugs not Swifto so why was there hostility? Peace.

[Swifto]

With all due respect swifto I think you yourself are guilty of flying off the handle here and belittling people for simply voicing concerns that nolvadex and clomid have been found to be carcinigens. I think it shows a serious lack of control and respect. Go ahead flame me for making this statement, you will only show your lack of maturity. As for tamox and clomid's cancer risk being "dose dependent" goes I see your logic but some may feel its like smoking, one guy may smoke a pack a day and never have a problem while the guy who smokes a pack a week does. Why crucify people for being concerned about risks. I personally considered nolva/clomid as "vitamin like" when I read they were KNOWN carcinegens I stopped taking nolva yes, but can you blame me? I wanted to do some more research on these drugs. I must say the way you freaked on us did nothing to enlighten us on the pros and cons of these drugs. Peace.

I'm not about to flame you. I've already stated thats against the Rules here.

Whether or not I waded in too hard or little, I didnt call other members "clowns".

You need to read my posts again. Because your statement of, "...on us did nothing to enlighten us on the pros and cons of these drugs." is completely wrong.

I've said that Tamoxifen is given to women to TREAT breast cancer, I've said its been studies for "10 years with no adverse side effects". That includes occular, retinal toxicity and liver issues. I stated estrogen is a carcinogen. I've said alot of informative things, if you decide to ignore that, so be it.

Point taken, I just feel he could have taken a more respectful approach than he did. Its like he was hostile toward us because we expressed concerns, and that we were hypocritical babies for trying to understand just how significant the risks of cancer were when using these drugs. Remember we were questioning the drugs not Swifto so why was there hostility? Peace.

I've stated more than once the author has alteroir motives. He sells a number of PCT meds (some of which I have tried) and this article is an attempt to scare the user. Yes, Tamoxifen is a carcinogen, but so are lots of other things.

We use it for 5-6 weeks, max, at around 20mg/ED.

If you dont want to use Tamox anymore, go ahead. You should buy a product containing Resveratrol then too.

In a head to head comparison comparing Tamox/Clomid and Tamox/Tore, Tamoxifen came out on top.

I'd strongly reconsider NOT using Tamoxifen for even a short peroid during PCT.

[louiscypher]

I'm not about to flame you. I've already stated thats against the Rules here.

Whether or not I waded in too hard or little, I didnt call other members "clowns".

You need to read my posts again. Because your statement of, "...on us did nothing to enlighten us on the pros and cons of these drugs." is completely wrong.

I've said that Tamoxifen is given to women to TREAT breast cancer, I've said its been studies for "10 years with no adverse side effects". That includes occular, retinal toxicity and liver issues. I stated estrogen is a carcinogen. I've said alot of informative things, if you decide to ignore that, so be it.

I've stated more than once the author has alteroir motives. He sells a number of PCT meds (some of which I have tried) and this article is an attempt to scare the user. Yes, Tamoxifen is a carcinogen, but so are lots of other things.

We use it for 5-6 weeks, max, at around 20mg/ED.

If you dont want to use Tamox anymore, go ahead. You should buy a product containing Resveratrol then too.

In a head to head comparison comparing Tamox/Clomid and Tamox/Tore, Tamoxifen came out on top.

I'd strongly reconsider NOT using Tamoxifen for even a short peroid during PCT.

Lol, well I just showed off my noob status. you remain the man Swifto, I was guilty of not reading your posts carefully. Thanks for the "enlightenment". Your points are good ones. Peace.