Is "affordable HGH" possible?

[JimInAK]

I think this is very misleading advice. Unless you're spending thousands of dollars getting your HGH fully analyzed, you have no idea what is in it, what it's purity level is, etc.

An excellent demonstration of Chinese HGH authenticity is that every "namebrand" Chinese HGH has anywhere from 3-5+ websites all claiming to be the "real one", each with it's own serial code verification system.

Purity plays a large factor as well. Most people on Rx US HGH have noted that as little as 2-3 IU can achieve noticeable side effects and results, where as most people on Chinese HGH are using 8-10 IU to achieve the same thing. If US HGH is 4x the efficacy as Chinese HGH, then Chinese HGH is not looking quite so affordable any more.

You can buy cheap "Loius Vuitton" bags from China too, but when the zipper breaks after a week and the paint starts flaking off, you may start re-evaluating how good a bargain it was.

You (often) get what you pay for.

An IGF-1 blood test is the BEST indication whether your HGH is good or not. I've had three IGF-1 blood spot tests and know that what I've taken from China was gtg.

You can claim American superiority and pay 8 to 10 times more for whatever certification or assurance you need. I don't believe that I need "8-10iu" to achieve what you do from your "4x potent superior American HGH" because I don't take that large of a dose, ever. Sounds to me like your selling used cars and asserting your opinion as fact.

How can you assert that you know anything about Chinese HGH from legitimate manufacturers?

I'd love to see a side by side comparison of Chinese and American HGH. However, the AMA and the DEA are protecting the monopoly of the American pharm producers, so we have been denied the opportunity for an open, honest comparison or debate.

"Getting what you pay for" makes sense when everyone is playing on a level playing field. American pharm manufacturers have a monopoly. That's why generic products are cheaper and Chinese HGH is a small fraction of the price of the equivalent American product.

I have no real reason to mistrust Chinese manufacturers any more than their American counterparts.

[killswitch]

I had this conversation with my doc and he prescribed gherlin. Its a stomach peptide and research has shown it to be a strong putuatary secretagogue. I'll have blood done after 12 weeks and see where my igf1 levels are. I'm paying about half what hgh would cost me.
I can tell u after 3 weeks I sleep much deeper... Like dead to the world sleep (4th phase slow wave sleep) gherlin has been shown to dp this. my alarm goes off and I can't think straight I have no idea what day it is or where the heck I am... That's how knocked out I am.

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An IGF-1 blood test is the BEST indication whether your HGH is good or not. I've had three IGF-1 blood spot tests and know that what I've taken from China was gtg.

You can claim American superiority and pay 8 to 10 times more for whatever certification or assurance you need. I don't believe that I need "8-10iu" to achieve what you do from your "4x potent superior American HGH" because I don't take that large of a dose, ever. Sounds to me like your selling used cars and asserting your opinion as fact.

How can you assert that you know anything about Chinese HGH from legitimate manufacturers?

I'd love to see a side by side comparison of Chinese and American HGH. However, the AMA and the DEA are protecting the monopoly of the American pharm producers, so we have been denied the opportunity for an open, honest comparison or debate.

"Getting what you pay for" makes sense when everyone is playing on a level playing field. American pharm manufacturers have a monopoly. That's why generic products are cheaper and Chinese HGH is a small fraction of the price of the equivalent American product.

I have no real reason to mistrust Chinese manufacturers any more than their American counterparts.

You have your head in the clouds, my friend. I am quite familiar with Chinese HGH and have had conversations with MANY people who also have tried their hand with it. By and far, the results almost always point to Chinese HGH = junk.

For all you know, you're injecting IGF-1. It looks exactly the same, will obviously provide noticable IGF-1 increases on your blood spot test, and has similar side effects as HGH but costs a fraction as much to produce.

You're entitled to do whatever you want, but you should at least be responsible and not tell people that Chinese HGH is safe, effective and affordable when you have no data to back that up besides some mail-in blood tests.

When I first looked into HGH, I came across a bid distribution website that mostly had Chinese pharmaceutical companies offering their services. I have quite literally received over a THOUSAND emails offering "LEGIT HGH AT CHEAP PRICES!" over the span of less than a year. I'm sure all these little Chinese startup companies have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars on high-tech machinery and sterile lab space that is required to produce HGH and then sell it at dirt cheap prices to countries like the US.

I have yet to see a SINGLE before and after picture of results from just Chinese HGH usage. NOT ONE! You go to any steroid forum (this one included) and there's entire subforums dedicated to progress pictures! And yet nothing exists for HGH use! What happens is people spend so much money on their HGH that they refuse to believe what they're using could be crap, regardless of what the results (or lack of) are.

Maybe you got lucky and found a legitimate Chinese HGH distributor, but the truth of the matter is, you really have no idea what you're putting in your body. Even if it is HGH, what other fillers are included with it?

The reason there's practically no underground HGH market within the US is it's incredibly expensive to product. That should be a HUGE red flag when you're buying your HGH for practically nothing from some back door, fell out the back of a truck, my brother works at a lab and can get it for me cheap, Chinese underground lab.

[JimInAK]

You have your head in the clouds, my friend. I am quite familiar with Chinese HGH and have had conversations with MANY people who also have tried their hand with it. By and far, the results almost always point to Chinese HGH = junk.

For all you know, you're injecting IGF-1. It looks exactly the same, will obviously provide noticable IGF-1 increases on your blood spot test, and has similar side effects as HGH but costs a fraction as much to produce.

You're entitled to do whatever you want, but you should at least be responsible and not tell people that Chinese HGH is safe, effective and affordable when you have no data to back that up besides some mail-in blood tests.

When I first looked into HGH, I came across a bid distribution website that mostly had Chinese pharmaceutical companies offering their services. I have quite literally received over a THOUSAND emails offering "LEGIT HGH AT CHEAP PRICES!" over the span of less than a year. I'm sure all these little Chinese startup companies have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars on high-tech machinery and sterile lab space that is required to produce HGH and then sell it at dirt cheap prices to countries like the US.

I have yet to see a SINGLE before and after picture of results from just Chinese HGH usage. NOT ONE! You go to any steroid forum (this one included) and there's entire subforums dedicated to progress pictures! And yet nothing exists for HGH use! What happens is people spend so much money on their HGH that they refuse to believe what they're using could be crap, regardless of what the results (or lack of) are.

Maybe you got lucky and found a legitimate Chinese HGH distributor, but the truth of the matter is, you really have no idea what you're putting in your body. Even if it is HGH, what other fillers are included with it?

The reason there's practically no underground HGH market within the US is it's incredibly expensive to product. That should be a HUGE red flag when you're buying your HGH for practically nothing from some back door, fell out the back of a truck, my brother works at a lab and can get it for me cheap, Chinese underground lab.

The facts don't support your rheteric...

Our forum's respected supplier ARR, sells IGF-1 for a very fair price... which is more than $100 per mg. It would be quite a trick to turn that for a profit as HGH and sell it for less than 2% of it's actual cost. Your assertion just doesn't hold water.

Furthermore, you simply need to Google the terms: phamacy, Chinese HGH, and bust to find hundreds of articles related to DEA busts of American pharmacies and underground distributors buying Chinese HGH and marketing it to Americans as genuine American, FDA approved HGH.

There are stories published by ESPN, the NY Daily News, CNET and many other respected REAL News articles reporting that MILLIONS of dollars worth of Chinese HGH has been shipped into the United States every year.

Individuals and pharmacies have been prosecuted and gone down hard for selling genuine Chinese HGH.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse here, but the facts don't support your statements

In my opinion, it's irresponsible to refute my factual statements with unfounded assertions and ad hominum arguments without documented facts to support your side of the argument.

BTW - There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and our government routinely lies to the public to achieve their goals, to maintain profits for their favored special interests (and their campaign contributions) and to maintain control over those who are too ignorant to understand or too busy to find the truth.

Whether or not I have purchased genuine HGH is really not an issue. What I do is private and I am not here to hawk goods to anyone. My interest is in disseminating the facts. Denying that Chinese manufacturers produce genuine and pure HGH is not supported by the facts.

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An IGF-1 blood test is the BEST indication whether your HGH is good or not. I've had three IGF-1 blood spot tests and know that what I've taken from China was gtg.

You can claim American superiority and pay 8 to 10 times more for whatever certification or assurance you need. I don't believe that I need "8-10iu" to achieve what you do from your "4x potent superior American HGH" because I don't take that large of a dose, ever. Sounds to me like your selling used cars and asserting your opinion as fact.

How can you assert that you know anything about Chinese HGH from legitimate manufacturers?

I'd love to see a side by side comparison of Chinese and American HGH. However, the AMA and the DEA are protecting the monopoly of the American pharm producers, so we have been denied the opportunity for an open, honest comparison or debate.

"Getting what you pay for" makes sense when everyone is playing on a level playing field. American pharm manufacturers have a monopoly. That's why generic products are cheaper and Chinese HGH is a small fraction of the price of the equivalent American product.

I have no real reason to mistrust Chinese manufacturers any more than their American counterparts.

I found the above comments amusing. I work in a part of the US Pharma Industry that supplies Active Ingredients to US Drug manufacturers. I am very familiar with China's Pharmaceutical industry. There are no FDA inspected or approved producers of HGH in China that can legally market their product in the US (unless one was recently approved by the FDA). This alone should be of concern when considering to utilize HGH that is made in China. While there are quite a few FDA approved facilities producing quality active ingredients & finished dosage drugs, the majority of China's Pharma producers are sub-par at best. With poor oversight, China's pharma industry is overly profit-driven right now with quality control often ignored in the name of immediate profit & growth. I personally know of many examples where ingredients or finished dosage products coming from China & other countries have been the cause of injury or massive recalls that have never been reported to the public. To think that your HGH (Made in China) is being made under optimum conditions with any great concern for your health is a very wrong assumption to make.