Sorry not about AAS but is Clen better than ECA?

[buildingblocks]

There is another thread on clen and fat burning. If you want to burn back fat, I say Clen, but unlike all of the comments, I am pro clen. Sure it makes you jittery but the compound works beautiful. ISnt that why we are here? To weigh out the pros and cons of what we take with gaining knowledge of the big picture? Pro- Clen is a thermogenic and burns fat at a great rate, Con- makes you jittery. When you take your 2 wk break, stack with green stinger ephedra, then on your next 2 weeks, you will notice a decline in clen side effects. They balance each other pretty well IMO.

[kiwidave1]

Thanks for all the info guys. I guess I will continue to research and then decide if I want to try Clen. But knowing me I will have to give it a shot just to find out for myself. Just don't want to loss any lean mass that I have worked so hard to put on. Doubt I will be cutting for a few more months anyway. Not far away from 200lb.
Thanks again!

[sixoner]

There is another thread on clen and fat burning. If you want to burn back fat, I say Clen, but unlike all of the comments, I am pro clen. Sure it makes you jittery but the compound works beautiful. ISnt that why we are here? To weigh out the pros and cons of what we take with gaining knowledge of the big picture? Pro- Clen is a thermogenic and burns fat at a great rate, Con- makes you jittery. When you take your 2 wk break, stack with green stinger ephedra, then on your next 2 weeks, you will notice a decline in clen side effects. They balance each other pretty well IMO.

clenbuterol selectively targets and downgrades beta-2 receptors through continual use therefore making it less effective as time goes on. some use it for 2weeks then take an equal amount of time off to allow those receptors to recover. some take antihistamines such as benadryl or ketotifen (to aid in the regulation of the beta receptors) in conjuction with clenbuteral and this allows you to effectively use the clenbuteral for longer periods of time much more than 2weeks.

from my understanding ephedra also down regulates the beta-2 receptors. so if you were using clenbuteral in the 2 week protocol why would you use epedra during your off time would it not make sense for you to allow your beta receptors to recover as opposed to using ephedra less effectively due to down graded beta receptors, and then jumping back on clen with trashed beta-2 receptors....it would make sense that you would notice less sides then clen is not as effective your receptors are wasted same as if you kept going with the clen past 13 days or so without using keto or benadryl

[Walnutz]

clenbuterol selectively targets and downgrades beta-2 receptors through continual use therefore making it less effective as time goes on. some use it for 2weeks then take an equal amount of time off to allow those receptors to recover. some take antihistamines such as benadryl or ketotifen (to aid in the regulation of the beta receptors) in conjuction with clenbuteral and this allows you to effectively use the clenbuteral for longer periods of time much more than 2weeks.

from my understanding ephedra also down regulates the beta-2 receptors. so if you were using clenbuteral in the 2 week protocol why would you use epedra during your off time would it not make sense for you to allow your beta receptors to recover as opposed to using ephedra less effectively due to down graded beta receptors, and then jumping back on clen with trashed beta-2 receptors....it would make sense that you would notice less sides then clen is not as effective your receptors are wasted same as if you kept going with the clen past 13 days or so without using keto or benadryl

Exactly....Do NOT use ephedra during your 'off' weeks otherwise your receptors will not up-regulate.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I want to try EC next. I have always used legal fat burners like oxy elite pro. What do I need to buy to get EC and how should a first time user dose it?

Sorry for hijack

[kiwidave1]

(if in US) Just get Bronkaid from a drug store $12 for 60 tablets. Gotta sign for it but normally no worries.

(if out side US) No idea sorry.

I dosed breakfact, lunch and dinner 200mg of caffeine with one Bronkaid tablet. I worked up from once a day to 3 times a day over a week, on for 12 weeks.

The main reason I am now looking at Clen above EC is that I am off caffeine right now and don't think I want to start back on it as I hate cycling off and I don't think E is very effective without the C?? Anyone take Ephedrine on it own?

Will have to try Clen when it come back in stock at least I will then know what it is all about.

Thanks!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

(if in US) Just get Bronkaid from a drug store $12 for 60 tablets. Gotta sign for it but normally no worries.

(if out side US) No idea sorry.

I dosed breakfact, lunch and dinner 200mg of caffeine with one Bronkaid tablet. I worked up from once a day to 3 times a day over a week, on for 12 weeks.

The main reason I am now looking at Clen above EC is that I am off caffeine right now and don't think I want to start back on it as I hate cycling off and I don't think E is very effective without the C?? Anyone take Ephedrine on it own?

Will have to try Clen when it come back in stock at least I will then know what it is all about.

Thanks!

I live in NY so this is helpful. So buy caffeine pills and bronkaid at a local CVS? Do they sell caffeine pills there too?

[kiwidave1]

I live in NY so this is helpful. So buy caffeine pills and bronkaid at a local CVS? Do they sell caffeine pills there too?

Guess so, I have a couple of thousand of them if you want some? Just any generic 200mg caffeine pill or cap will work.

[buildingblocks]

clenbuterol selectively targets and downgrades beta-2 receptors through continual use therefore making it less effective as time goes on. some use it for 2weeks then take an equal amount of time off to allow those receptors to recover. some take antihistamines such as benadryl or ketotifen (to aid in the regulation of the beta receptors) in conjuction with clenbuteral and this allows you to effectively use the clenbuteral for longer periods of time much more than 2weeks.

from my understanding ephedra also down regulates the beta-2 receptors. so if you were using clenbuteral in the 2 week protocol why would you use epedra during your off time would it not make sense for you to allow your beta receptors to recover as opposed to using ephedra less effectively due to down graded beta receptors, and then jumping back on clen with trashed beta-2 receptors....it would make sense that you would notice less sides then clen is not as effective your receptors are wasted same as if you kept going with the clen past 13 days or so without using keto or benadryl

Actually,
(and this was taken from http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...rochloride.htm simply because I didnt feel like typing my argument)

People often want to compare ephedrine to Clenbuterol. This is fine as long as you realize that they act in different ways. Clenbuterol is a specific beta-2 adrenergic agonist. As such, Clenbuterol interacts directly with beta-2 receptors on muscle and fat tissue. Ephedrine, on the other hand, is not a direct beta-2 agonist. In fact, ephedrine is a poor ligand for the beta-2 receptor. Instead, ephedrine stimulates the release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals. The noradrenaline then goes on to interact with muscle and fat cells as a nonspecific adrenergic agonist. This simply means that noradrenaline activates beta-2 receptors, but also other beta-receptors as well as alpha-receptors. So to compare ephedrine and Clenbuterol you must take into account their differences.

The differences between ephedrine and Clenbuterol are important. For example, Clenbuterol is a very potent beta-2 agonist. As a result, within 14 to 21 days, the beta-2 receptors on muscle and fat cells will be drawn into the cell membrane to reduce their availability to Clenbuterol. Then, if you continue to take it, they will be disassembled all together, leaving you insensitive to Clenbuterol. It then takes at least 2-3 weeks for receptors to replenish themselves on muscle and fat cells. Once again, ephedrine is different with respect to down regulation. Ephedrine, being a much weaker agonist, does not cause rapid desensitization and/or down-regulation of adrenergic receptors. This allows ephedrine to be used effectively for many months. Despite these differences, both drugs should be tapered over the course of several weeks before discontinuing them. If you don't, you will quickly replace the fat you just lost due to an increased appetite and a decreased ability of fat cells to mobilize stored fat.