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I never mentioned that someone should start off pulling with straps. Where did you get that notion from. Also what does juicing have to do with it? I can name probably 20-25 Elite fitness sponsored athletes that are natural that are good deadlifters 700+ who train with straps. You are missing the point entirely. Doing singles can only get you so strong. You have to do reps at some point and the fact remains, your grip will fail you before your body does. Thus your body gets only as strong as your grip.

Tell you what, check out the Elite fitness group from Orlando florida. Most of those guys are natty, all pull with straps in training. Again, do some research, no matter how you argue, you're wrong. And those two camps of with straps and without, is usually designated to bodybuilders versus powerlifters. Please name some world class lifters who train exclusively without straps. I'd like to see their routines.

yeah, at what weight class?

you keep maintaining that my grip will fail before my body, well i kinda own my body and can safely say that my hams and spinal erectors give up b4 my grip does. maybe diff for you super heavy weight guys? i spoke of aas in relative terms, theres very little natural guys in europe (infact at european stage, theres a 99.9% chance they are all on and im talking of a drug tested federation)) between 75kg-90kg class pulling 320kgs. i dont know much about america tbh.

like i said, im not going to wind up in an arguement, ive spoken of my personal exp and thats all.