Originally Posted by
rombus
Having spent a few years looking at various AAS forums I have noticed a pattern: vets frown upon younger people taking AAS.
Thats correct.
I disagree with that attitude, unless the person in question still going through puberty, which ends about age 17 for males. DUring puberty, testosterone (and specifically testosterone) can result in premature closure of epiphyseal plates (ends of your bones so they dont grow longer, and thus stunting your height).
Not exactly. Its estrogen that is responsible for the closure of epiphyseal growth plates.
Puberty does not also finish at "17 years of age". Where an earth did you read that?
But for people aged 19? Come on. I hear vets saying "you can ruin your sex life forever" "youll get hurt". Can you ruin your sex life forever? WIll you get hurt?
These types of comments are very patronizing and shows very little respect for the intelligence of young people.
Your not intelligent at all, dont get confused. Your naive and know little on this subject at hand.
I have been answering PM's daily from user's from 16 years of age right up to those in their 50-60's on questions regarding PCT protocol's and the HPTA for a fair few years now.
One thing I get a lot of is user's ranging from 17-25 years old who have done ONE CYCLE and are still f*cked up (HPTA) months down the line after doing PCT's of many kinds. Read that again. ONE CYCLE, their first cycle and have NOT recovered at all. Their complaints range from little energy, lethargy, strength and LMB decreasing, fat gain, labido loss and more importantly and embarressingly at that age, erectile dysfunction.
The most pressing concern vets have is that the usage of AAS would result in negative feedback and that may never disappear. First that is a myth. ESPECIALLY with regards to T3 usage; the degree of negative feedback is DIRECTLY related to how much you take, that is, takign too much and too long will NOT result in permanent shut down. Same applies to other hormonal usage.
Its not myth, read above.
We're not talking about T3 usage here, we're talking about andorgens effects on the HPTA in those wiht under developed HPT-axis's.
Second, the issue of 'getting hurt' is quite vague and just seems like 'I dont wnan abother explaining myself' attitude. The main issues with AAS usage is liver toxicity and cardiac problems. The liver toxicity is only really a threat when takign orals, but given that alcohol and paracetamol are probably even more liver toxic, I do not see why people continue to demonize AAS in terms of liver damage. When takign orals, just monitor your liver enzymes carefully and come off if it gets out of hand. One issue vets dont tend to see is cardiac probelms, which worries me a bit more than liver issues. Cardiac problems coming from potential polycythemia and increased blood pressure. These raise the risk of sudden cardiac death and over the long term, ventricular damage.
Hepatoxicity is over rated, yes.
Cardiac problems are a worry, but I know of no cases where user's have dropped DEAD directly from AAS usage. Key word: usage, not ABUSE.
I'm glad you see issues even though you are yet to stick a needle inside your body.
With regards to coming off cycle and not knowing to to apply PCT, etc. I think that is a load of rubbish. Your body's natural hormonal output will decrease over time regardless of AAS or not. TRT is becoming increasingly popular, although still stigmatized by the unintelligent decisions of the US's attitudes towards AAS usage. Eventually, all males will benefit from TRT. Whether your testosterone comes naturally or from TRT doesnt make a difference. So, NEVER coming off (say a maintenance dosage of 200mg/wk of test) is not a bad idea because that IS the inevitable result anyway.
So all those that use anabolic steroids should never come off, ever? With that idiotic rationale you think its then ok to use AAS at age's of 17 years old and above!
Now your sounding stupid. But I already came to that conclusion by reading your first paragraph.
So instead of turning younger people and new people away why not provide them with information and inform them properly and letting them make their own choices instead of being so arrogant, elitist and patronizing? People arent stupid, and if they are, that isnt our problem as long as we provided the proper information for them.
You complain that those "in the know" dont educate you more naive user's but are of the opinion "Vets across the community" are all of the same opionin (paragraph 1/2) we are, "..very patronizing and show very little respect for the intelligence of young people.".
Seems to me like you dont like what others are telling you kiddo.
One thing people fail to see is that when a person recieves a comment like this: "no source checks until you are 200lbs and 6% bodyfat" may drive people to making poetntially dangerous purhcases (ie contaminated vials, fake gear, misdosed gear, etc). It is like making something illegal, driving its sale underground, makign it even more dangerous.
There is a reason why we more experienced guy's give that advice. If you dont like it your more than welcome to go against it and what you then do is UP TO YOU. If that means, "...contaminated vials, fake gear, misdosed gear, etc)." You've made your bed so f*cking lie in it.
This article may seem different, but I am a medical student and it is the attitude that the medical community takes..and the key word is AUTONOMY. Paternalism is what doctors did in the past.
This isnt an article. Its a load of garbage by someone thats naive and thinks they know what their talking about.
Take ...a 15 year old who wants to pruhcase birth control pills. A doctor wll not say: 'youre too young, stay away from drugs and dont have sex'. No. The doctor will test to see if the 15 yo undertsands the pros and cons of usage etc and then letting them decide. If they are deemed competant, then the pill is prescribed.
Let's move forward..not backwards.
You have a lot to learn young Skywalker.
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