Twelve weeks Test-e + Dbol kickstart - I came I saw I conquered. 10/1/11 => 15/05/11.

[flexandex]

I will use this thread as my diary to document everything cycle related over the next 12 weeks. I plan to be extremely fastidious in my documentation of my cycle/PCT and will post updates at the bare minimum of every injection day. My confirmed start date is the 10th of januarary and i have everything i need down to the last alcohol swab.

Thread guidelines i would apreciate if people could follow :

-I welcome criticism if it is in a constructive form; i would ask that this thread is not cluttered with posts qouting my age and explaining i am not ready. I have made a calculated decision; perhaps i will regret it in 10years, or even 10months but i like to think that you should "Never regret anything, because at one time, it was the exactly what you wanted". I feel as though the effort i put into planning and researching i atleast deserve a fair go, albiet my age.
-No sources/price discussion as per board rules.
(only two, thats not bad is it?)

Cycle:
week 1-12 Test-E 250mg Bi-weekly
week 1-2 Dbol 25mg ED
week 2-4 Dbol 35mg ED

week 2-12 HCG 250IU 2x PW
week 1-12 Arimidex 0.25 EOD

Pheedno PCT
week 14-18 Clomid 100mg ED
week 14-18 Nolva 20mg ED

I would like to add these dosages could morph and change at any time dependant on different situations that arise.

Stats:
19 Y/O.
172 Lbs.
7.8% BF (bodpod acredited).
2 1/2 years training.
5'10.

Heres an excel outline i drew up quickly to detail my cycle progression:




I'd also love to get a few discussions going with others who are cycling along at the same time as i do . Glad to have ya'll along for the ride!
Any tips, encouragement and words of advice would be greatly apreciated.


P.S. Everything in this thread is for entertainment purposes only and is a fictional work of my imagination.

[flexandex]

I will be following a basic 6day split over the course of my cycle with a core exercise incorporated in every workout and other additional exercises i will chop and change throughout.

Chest
Flat bench press 4-6
Incline dumbell press 4-6
Incline cable flys 8-12
Pec dec 8-12

Back
Weighted Pullups 10-12
Seated row 8-12
Closegrip lat pulldown 8-12
Deadlift 4-6

Shoulders
Seated Dumbell press 4-6
Reverse shoulder press 4-6
Front raise / Lateral raise superset 8-12
Rear delt pec dec 8-12

Legs
Olympic squats 4-6
Leg press 4-6
Leg extention 8-12
Lying leg curls 8-12

Arms
Barbell curl 4-6
dumbell curl 8-12
hammer rope curl 8-12

Seated tricep extention 4-6
Rope pulldown 8-12
tricep extention machine 8-12

Traps/calves
Closegrip smith machine shrugs 8-12
Widegrip smith machine shrugs 15-20

Standing calve raise 4-6
Leg press calve extention 15-20

I have a fairly basic diet consisting of normal healthy foods, i will probably consume some junk along the way but more often than not it will fit into my daily macros

Protein: 300
Carbs: 400
Lipids: 80
Total cals: 3500.
I'll adjust this higher if i don't feel im getting enough nutrition.

I'll post my first pin update on the 10th, pretty excited!!!

[ls1 fd3s]

nice write up, but i cant help but chuckle everytime i see a thread like this and its an underweight TEENAGER, let alone a guy under 25...

[flexandex]

For the record ls1 fd3s, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Some quick stats
28 years old
5'9"
181lbs
12% BF off a guess

When you are finished your cut if you manage to get to my BF level you will be around my weight; and ready to start your cycle, do you consider yourself underweight also?

170 @ 5'10 shredded is a very solid base, IMO.
my waist tonight was 29 2/8", while my arms sit at a hair over 16" (flexed)
The problem with people parroting weight levels is that everyone has different bone structures, heights, muscle bellies, frames.. not to mention goals!

You're right, i could probably squeeze another 5-10lbs out of my frame but alas, im no angel.

I'm not going to put up any pics of myself so i can maintain privacy but heres a guy whos 5'10 and around 175 IRRC. Says hes 5% in this pic and i wouldn't argue that too far..

[lankykid234]

lol chestbrahh isn't the best example to use brah, he's ran a couple cycles already. Besides, if you read his formspring, he really discourages steroid use in teens.

Good luck with the cycle though! I'll be following

[flexandex]

lol chestbrahh isn't the best example to use brah, he's ran a couple cycles already. Besides, if you read his formspring, he really discourages steroid use in teens.

Good luck with the cycle though! I'll be following

Yeahh, i know haha. Just details the point that 'weight' is really not all that important past a certain level.

mhm i am too young, hopefully i'll be one of the lucky ones.

[lankykid234]

I think zyzz started at 19, so hopefully things will turn out like him

[Matt]

Wow, i guess we will be seeing you in the HRT forum soon.....

[bodybuilder]

Wow, i guess we will be seeing you in the HRT forum soon.....

X2 what is it with all these youngster jumping into AAS without knowing wtf they are doing to themselves.

[stevey_6t9]

OP post some pics up, just edit your face out.

[flexandex]

Wow, i guess we will be seeing you in the HRT forum soon.....

I'm taking a calculated risk. You can quote stories where a teen has ruined their test production for life; and i can quote stories where a teen has run 8week Prohormone cycle with zero PCT and come out healthy as ever.

I'd rather not clutter my log with this arguement, if its all the same to you.. When i post my hormone panel 8 weeks post-cycle; either my gamble will pay off, or you will be proved right. i'd assume you'd be happy to be proved wrong.
Please feel free to PM me if you want to have a discussion where other teens, less prepared, don't find encouragement.

X2 what is it with all these youngster jumping into AAS without knowing wtf they are doing to themselves.

I know exactly what the fuk i am doing to myself, if you want to actually discuss this with me; shoot me a PM, i'm really trying not to clutter the log with a debate about AAS ethics.

OP post some pics up, just edit your face out.

I would man but unfortunately i have an easily distinguishable tattoo. If / when my AAS use comes out, i'll be more than willing to post my progress pictures.
I'll be taking a set of the mandatory poses every injection day. Should make for a pretty cool slide show.
Would be great to have you following my thread man, where you at in syd?

[NOVA718]

Flex I can tell you are a really sharp guy, I can certainly see you are a detailed individual as well..lol. But everyone here is just wanting to look out for ya. I think whats trying to be conveyed is that at 19 you still have some time for more natural growth. From your stats it sounds like you already have a pretty good base. Look at it this way on average your typical man reaches his peak sexual development by about age 20.From then on you see an average decline in testosterone of 1% per year. So by age 35 testosterone levels decline by around 15% and by age 55 levels will have dropped by as much as 35%. So your body is still going through some changes. What I suggest is just take your time bro, educate yourself even more so than you already have about the culture of this sport, continue to eat and train hard and then reap the rewards of success!! Regardless of your decision there is a ton a great individuals here that have a mulitude of experience and knowledge that can be provided if so asked and that have journeyed down your path. Best of luck bro and remember its no rush you got time....but support is here if you need it.

[stevey_6t9]

I would man but unfortunately i have an easily distinguishable tattoo. If / when my AAS use comes out, i'll be more than willing to post my progress pictures.
I'll be taking a set of the mandatory poses every injection day. Should make for a pretty cool slide show.
Would be great to have you following my thread man, where you at in syd?

you can edit the tatt out too, im somewhere in syd lol, like you i also prefer to stay anonymous.

im your age too, though 40lbs heavier, however cycling does have a risk... i turned out ok after my cycle, though i do have buddies who got the bad end of the stick, its basically luck... end of the day your an adult and you can make your own decision so i hope everything turns out ok for ya...also dont expect to like look supaturk and iron curtis overnight... they have accounts on here too, one has done over 5 cycles. goodluck man

[flexandex]

you can edit the tatt out too, im somewhere in syd lol, like you i also prefer to stay anonymous.

im your age too, though 40lbs heavier, however cycling does have a risk... i turned out ok after my cycle, though i do have buddies who got the bad end of the stick, its basically luck... end of the day your an adult and you can make your own decision so i hope everything turns out ok for ya...also dont expect to like look supaturk and iron curtis overnight... they have accounts on here too, one has done over 5 cycles. goodluck man

Hahaha, yeah, but then theres a big blank spot exactly where my tatt should be.

Cool man, yeah i've been a sloppy 205 before, probably 17-20% BF. Just started out and didn't realize the importance of quality mass. So i just packed on the weight, went by the scale etc. was cool while it lasted, but i feel alot better at this BF! Everyone disagrees with me but i honestly believe weight is just about fking worthless as a measurement. There are far too many variables for it to be accurate. I look bigger than alot of 190lb guys.
I don't hold expectations due to things that have happened in my past, with no expectations everything is a bonus. I live a much happier life this way. With that said, my planned end weight after this cycle is around 185-195 @ 10-12%. Because of my small frame/joints(6 2/8inch wrists etc), i should appear pretty big.
One day supaturk will want to look like me; thats the plan anyway! haha\

p.s. ironcurtis claims natty, lawl.

This is what i'll be using so that you guys can track my progress; its not as good as pics, but its close!

Flex I can tell you are a really sharp guy, I can certainly see you are a detailed individual as well..lol. But everyone here is just wanting to look out for ya. I think whats trying to be conveyed is that at 19 you still have some time for more natural growth. From your stats it sounds like you already have a pretty good base. Look at it this way on average your typical man reaches his peak sexual development by about age 20.From then on you see an average decline in testosterone of 1% per year. So by age 35 testosterone levels decline by around 15% and by age 55 levels will have dropped by as much as 35%. So your body is still going through some changes. What I suggest is just take your time bro, educate yourself even more so than you already have about the culture of this sport, continue to eat and train hard and then reap the rewards of success!! Regardless of your decision there is a ton a great individuals here that have a mulitude of experience and knowledge that can be provided if so asked and that have journeyed down your path. Best of luck bro and remember its no rush you got time....but support is here if you need it.

Cheers for the support man, i understand what you're saying and i apreciate you took the time to convey it in a constructive manner, as opposed to lol too young 'insert snide comment here'. (i.e. Wow, i guess we will be seeing you in the HRT forum soon..... ) :S

Yeah i wouldn't be in a position to start this cycle without this site; thats why i've decided to make my diary/log public. I don't think theres been a teen who has actually made an intensive cycle log.
The other steroid sites out there are honestly a fu/cking joke. Full of idiots and misinfomation, even the mods are parrots. Bet they couldnt name the half-life of dbol haha.

[notsureifsrs]

You sound more educated and smarter than most of the people that start using gear around here, also your cycle looks very solid.
so good luck! and keep us updated

[CMB]

Wow! very impressive log. I wish you the best of luck with everything in this cycle buddy. I will be following.

[DBolNoob]

Hey man good luck with this cycle, i was thinking of starting my first cycle at the end of jan!
im also 'young' but, like yourself im not jumping into anything i dont know about, i also know the calculated risks, but people dont die
from steroid use, they die from steroid abuse! FACT!

you seem to know what your doing so i wish you lots of luck.

im deffinatly goin to be following this to see how it goes for ya!

Peace

[Bonaparte]

Where are you from? Because most English speakers record dates as MM/DD/YY.
And you're going to be keeping this log for 5 months?

[scrunnyronnie]

Hopefully you got what you were looking for in the cycle, but 19yrs old is kinda young.

[flexandex]

You sound more educated and smarter than most of the people that start using gear around here, also your cycle looks very solid.
so good luck! and keep us updated

Cheers mate, glad to have you along!

Wow! very impressive log. I wish you the best of luck with everything in this cycle buddy. I will be following.

The more the merrier!

Hey man good luck with this cycle, i was thinking of starting my first cycle at the end of jan!
im also 'young' but, like yourself im not jumping into anything i dont know about, i also know the calculated risks, but people dont die
from steroid use, they die from steroid abuse! FACT!

you seem to know what your doing so i wish you lots of luck.

im deffinatly goin to be following this to see how it goes for ya!

Peace

Hey bro thanks for the support, is shot you a PM, hit me back on there.

Where are you from? Because most English speakers record dates as MM/DD/YY.
And you're going to be keeping this log for 5 months?

ohh you detective you!
I'll be keeping my log for the whole process, ie,
steroids 1-12
break 12-14
PCT 14-18
Recovery/maintaining gains 18-22
Argueably the last 8weeks are more important to log than the first 12

Hopefully you got what you were looking for in the cycle, but 19yrs old is kinda young.

I feel as though the risk/reward ratio is right for me, due to the immense preparation i've put into this.
I think this log needs to be done - but if i motivate any other young, ill prepared members to take on their oral only cycles, or anything else when they aren't ready - i'll feel bad about it..

[flexandex]

holyyyyy mosesssss...

so pinning doesnt even hurt?
Drew with a 23 gauge 1.5inch, discarded iniatial needle and repalced with a fresh one.

Pinned upper left glute with a sharp jab motion, injected the oil slowly, little bit of discomfort, but ZERO pain.
Absolutely easy experience.

Bout to drop my 15mg DBOL before gym and head off for a chest workout, i'll let you all know how it goes!!!!

IM ON MY WAY!!

Training:
Right, had a brilliant chest workout in the afternoon. Great pump and everything went swimingly, felt increased agresion, not sure if it was placebo though.
Then i went in later on at 7:30 to do triceps, by this point i had taken my 30MG dbol and i deffinitely got a pump that was out of the ordinary, it was almost hard to workout with my tris being so "full".
I felt like it was harder to get to the pain barrier, deffinitely a brilliant workout though.
Feeling great so far, a mild feeling of euphoria, but thats probably just because i'm so happy i've got started.
all in all a great day!!

[flexandex]

OK people i've hit my first roadbumb, need that support.

Its now 2days since my first pin, at first the glute was not sore at all. Zero pain.
It became a lil tender over the last few days, well before i went to bed tonight i gave it a bit of a massage because it looked kinda swollen and was a bit sore.

I woke up 2hours later and the pain is rather intense. Deffinitely can't sleep through it, and any movement of leg causes more pain.
A bit worried, what is this?! haha.

[Necrosaro]

Uggg I have little respect to people who do steroids in there teens and yet take nothing from the experienced users here. Sorry but I am not going to help you or the ones who didn't listen either past,present or future. If you are having a problem go ask your doctor for advice!

[DKbuilder]

my cycle is pretty much identical to yours, however, I don't use dbol. good luck with it.

[flexandex]

my cycle is pretty much identical to yours, however, I don't use dbol. good luck with it.

Cool man, how far in are you??

Uggg I have little respect to people who do steroids in there teens and yet take nothing from the experienced users here. Sorry but I am not going to help you or the ones who didn't listen either past,present or future. If you are having a problem go ask your doctor for advice!

So you posted in this thread; to let me know that you aren't going to post in the thread?
hahaha, yeah don't think ill be up at night over that one

[Kouga53]

I started with the same cycle. I gave me pretty good mass. I'd say the last 4 weeks gave me the most mass. Pretty good feeling.
Oh and for the first pin that pain can be normal.

[Matt]

So hows the glute now??

Any change??

[liftw8t]

Good luck with your cycle, I want to see what the outcome is

[flexandex]

I started with the same cycle. I gave me pretty good mass. I'd say the last 4 weeks gave me the most mass. Pretty good feeling.
Oh and for the first pin that pain can be normal.

Yeah the pain was rather intense, was a big mistake of mine to give it such a vigirous massage, no matter how much you think you know - theres always something missing

So hows the glute now??

Any change??

I went into the docs office, she took a look at it.
my blood pressure was 42/100 (low?)
temp was right in the normal range.
The area is reddened and sliiightly hot to the touch.

But in her opinion she couldnt feel any infection in the tissue, it was just swelling.
Its still very swollen, quite red but i have a better overall body feeling and the pain greatly subsided.

If its still bothering me i'll go back in in a couple of days and get to her take another look.
Should have seen the look on her face when i spewed my story about a B-12 injection... lol

Good luck with your cycle, I want to see what the outcome is

Cheers man, great to have you along.

**General Update**
Left glute seems to be getting better.
Had my second pin in the right glute, made sure to be 100% stringent on sterillity and i'd say there is zero chance this will develope any type of infection.. little bit sore but easy to deal with.

Think i'm going to skip legs this week, and we'll see how i go next week.
For my next pin im thinking about hitting my left quad, to give my swollen left glute a proper rest.. any opinions on that?

[stevey_6t9]

BP 42/100??? lol i think thats wrong... maybe 100/42 but thats also very rare...

also i hope your gear is good, half the shit around aus prob isnt even filtered... whatmans are expensive, they just put a ton of BA to kill everything and you prob had a reaction with it..

i always swelled up after nearly every shot of prop ive done, you'll get use to it.

[terraj]

That BP is bad, what did the Doc say?

[terraj]

Where are you from? Because most English speakers record dates as MM/DD/YY.
And you're going to be keeping this log for 5 months?

Sorry Bro, but that is not correct.

America puts month first, but most other english speaking places use the day first.

[DKbuilder]

Cool man, how far in are you??

I haven't begun yet. I need to order liquid torem from ar-r as my last PCT stuff

Overall, how do you feel? Physically and mentally?

[flexandex]

BP 42/100??? lol i think thats wrong... maybe 100/42 but thats also very rare...

also i hope your gear is good, half the shit around aus prob isnt even filtered... whatmans are expensive, they just put a ton of BA to kill everything and you prob had a reaction with it..

i always swelled up after nearly every shot of prop ive done, you'll get use to it.

edit I was mistaken i thought 120/60 was baseline, 120/80 is the norm. My blood pressure was 100/62

Well i got mine from an online source, it came from poland and is in individually sealed, perfectly level 1ml ampules. Human Grade.
I did some research and stuff like that is just impracticle to fake..?
Not to mention one of the most respectable vets on here sourcechecked my source for me
And yup you're right sorry, it was 100/62. The nurse took it, and just said that its no big deal - the younger and fitter you are the lower your bloodpressure will be.
However the day it was taken, you have to remember i had been sick all day, the only food i'd had was 2 apples 2 bannas and 2 protein shakes.

I've had my bloodpressure taken before on a cycle of clen, and it was 126/74, i think thats close to the normal range? So mabey i just have low blood pressure to begin with?

That BP is bad, what did the Doc say?

Sorry Bro, but that is not correct.

America puts month first, but most other english speaking places use the day first.

My bad man, it was 100/62, so low, but not crazy low! haha.
Nurse said it was nothing to worry about, younger and fitter you are the lower it will be.
That one always makes me laugh, Americans seem to think theyr at the centre of the world sometimes :P

I haven't begun yet. I need to order liquid torem from ar-r as my last PCT stuff

Overall, how do you feel? Physically and mentally?

What made you choose torem?
Whats your overall cycle / PCT make up?

I felt amazing my first few days, then when this infection/swelling/thing (dont know what to call it) i was bed ridden for about 36hours. Now i'm back on my feet, was in the gym yesterday, got 3700cals down me and had an amazing workout. My traps and medial delt are killin' me

[DKbuilder]

What made you choose torem?
Whats your overall cycle / PCT make up?

I felt amazing my first few days, then when this infection/swelling/thing (dont know what to call it) i was bed ridden for about 36hours. Now i'm back on my feet, was in the gym yesterday, got 3700cals down me and had an amazing workout. My traps and medial delt are killin' me

I've read a bunch of swifto's pct thoughts on torem and I decided to go with torem instead of clomid - and since the availability of clomid is annoyingly low in Denmark I had to go with torem since you can order it online from ar-r.

My PCT is nolvadex and torem. I am going to run amiridex on cycle together with HCG.

[Kouga53]

I'm very curious to see PCT bloods. I hope they turn out alright..

[flexandex]

I'm very curious to see PCT bloods. I hope they turn out alright..

Bet you aren't as curious as me.. :P.
Yeah we can only hope eh?

I've read a bunch of swifto's pct thoughts on torem and I decided to go with torem instead of clomid - and since the availability of clomid is annoyingly low in Denmark I had to go with torem since you can order it online from ar-r.

My PCT is nolvadex and torem. I am going to run amiridex on cycle together with HCG.

Awesome bro, good to see you took your time to understand the ins and out and have put together the safest cycle possible under the current steroid-knowledge enviroment.
Sick of failed and pathetic cycles, throw up a log man! would be cool to follow along. Do you have a start date in mind?

[gym.candy]

nice log bro
i see you said that you purchased online
how much was the total for all your gear, what payment method did you use? and why didnt you buy locally?

i know of a few online sources which i trust are legit, though i am hesitant to purchase from any due to the fact that aussie customs are meant to be super tight

i believe one of the sources is based in Moldova

[vettewreck]

Wow another 19y/o who thinks they know it all and simply copy and paste sh!t from all over the internet with a stupid chart table and it actually impresses the less educated members by leading them to believe you know what youre talking about and then they tell you "good luck" LOLOL... Try telling me I shouldnt throw stones in a glass house. lol Newb. Good luck with your trt at 21y/o!!

[F4iGuy]

I'm sure you've heard this but at 19 you have a boat load of test already. No way have you hit your potential yet. Sounds like you've already made up your mind though.