First Cycle

[College Kid]

Hey guys...I am new to this message board. I have been doing alot of research and posting alot on different forums just to get as much info as i can. I am about to do my first cycle in a month and wanna make sure i know as much about it as I can. Thats why I am asking for your help. I was thinking about taking deca, winny, and of course i am going to take clomid at the end. Whats your guys take on it? I've been getting mixed reviews. I am 19, 209lbs and have been lifting since I was 14. Any comment will be appreciated. Thanks. Peace.

[arthurb999]

Your in college. If you take winnie, you really can't drink. Also, what is your diet like. Will you be able to eat enough?

[Big Al]

I'd say wait bro.

[GenuinePL]

Give us some mmore of your stats.

Weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg/week
Winny 50mg/day
Week 11 Clomid 50mg/day
Week 12 Clomid 50mg/day
Week 13 Clomid 100mg/day
Week 14 Clomid 50mg/day

Milk Thistle 900mg/day from 10 days before to 10 days after cycle
Vit E 400mg/day
Vit C 3000mg/day
Multi-Vitamins
Glutamine 20-30g day

[Big Al]

Sorry bro but for a first-timer I really don't like such a long stint of c17aa orals such as winny. I think it is better to run the winny for 6 weeks 4-10.

Got to wait 3 weeks before starting clomid, deca will take some time to leave the system.

So Clomid

13,14,15
300mg Day 1, 100mg Ten Days, 50mg Ten days.

If you're gonna do it do it safe, but I'd still say wait.

[Gonna Be HUGE]

I always lay test (usually T200) down as the base to every bulking cycle. I would do something like this:

wks 1-10 Test 400-600mg/w
wks 1-10 Deca 400-600mg/w
wks 6-10 Winny 50mg/d

Clomid starts week 13 the way that Big Al described it.

I also think you should hold off on gear for a little longer, but if you're gonna do it, I would throw in some test.

[College Kid]

Thanks guys for your input, this is one of the better forums in the aspect of responses...needless to say I'm going to do it. My original plan was winny 50/mg EOD and deca 400/mg week, and start clomid the last week. However, some of you guys wrote to wait three weeks. Why is that? I have read you wanna start clomid the last week when your at your last dosage. Also, Big Al you said you don't like winny oral, doesn't that also aply to injectable, because thats what I am going to take? And why don't you like c17aa steroids for beginners. Thanks once again. Peace.

[pureanger]

Deca has a long half life and it stays in your system thats why you use clomid 2-3 weeks after your last shot if your going to hit winnie you gotta hit it everyday to be effective.

[PaPaPumP]

Yup...two shots (if you have high mg deca) per week...so 400mg

Winny 50mg ed for 6 weeks.

1-1.5 g of milk thistle per day. Tons of water...Good luck. BTW...make sure you eat lots.

[big_guy]

like big all said, too much 17aa .. what he meant was, don't run them for the whole cycle .. just 6 weeks.. and 17aa's are highly liver toxic, that's why they ain't too good for beginners. unless u study up and do things the right way.

and definitely add some test in there.

peace

bg

[College Kid]

Do you guys really think I need 50/mg of whinny ED even if its my first cycle? That's why I was thinking about doing it EOD. Also, some have said to add test to my stack. I thought you wanted to stay away from test your first cycle, or have I been miss led. Plus, I'm already a pretty big kid and with test I have a feeling I will just get really massive. Well let me know what you guys think. Thanks. Peace.

[big_guy]

"stay away from test on your first cycle"... u were misled

[Big Al]

Big Guy has it covered.

[College Kid]

But what do you guys think about whinny 50/mg ED or EOD.
Thanks. Peace.

Also just wanted to note this is one of the better forums of I joined. Everyone responds with alot of helpful info.

[Pete235]

I was 15lbs heavier than you when I did my first cycle (deca/winny) and I ran my winny @ 50mg/EOD (injects). Strength gains were awsome. Take it for what it's worth but I think EOD will be fine for your first cycle.