I started juicing at 18 without ever using proper pct. I regret it. If you're stubborn/hardheaded like me... no one is gonna convince you not to if you have already decided in your own mind. I'm still an amature/plebe myself. All I can say, is do your research before doing anything. Be as safe as possible. I think your original question was diff between Cyp and En for water retention right? I have never been on a cutting cycle, but I've used both Cyp and En quite a few times. Never really saw any difference in either of the two. They both felt like they did the same job to me. I could be wrong... but maybe encorporating proviron will keep the water retention down? Like I said, I have limited knowledge myself... Just my two cents. I'm sure a Vet can give ya the right answer.![]()