Test E first then add Dbol? Good idea?

[super-pump]

Still debating on what to do for my first cycle...paying attention to all the advice I have been given about the first cycle being one drug only so if there are any side effects I know what's causing it. Well, I had thought about doing either dbol or test e alone but now I have another idea....Would it be okay for me to start test e and say, 2 or 3 weeks in, add dbol to the cycle? that way I will still know which causes side effects for me and get even better results.....what's your stand on this?

[super-pump]

anyone?

[X83]

If you use Dbol it should be done with the first four weeks of your test-e cycle to give it a kick start.

[carp123]

test e kicks in around weeks 3-4 fully ,dbol around 7-10 days ,people use dbol as a kick start for there cycles while they wait for the long ester test to kick in (ie-test e) starting it same day as test e and if you do see sides within two week its likely to be the dbol ,i wouldent add it later as just as dbol kicks in so will the test e so you wil have no idea whats causeing sides ,starting it at same day as test e is best way to go about it ,as i said if you see sides within 2-3 weeks then its likely to be the dbol.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

it would only make sense if you used test prop

[super-pump]

it would only make sense if you used test prop

why is that? most advice I have gotten was to use test E instead of the other forms. Also, what would be the ideal on cycle anti-e and PCT drugs? i was thinking arimidex while on and novaldex and clomid for PCT...sound good?

[marcus300]

You can use dbol in many ways when cycling, you can kickstart a long ester cycle off by using it for the first 4 wks or you can start the dbol at around wk 4 when the long ester test is reaching peak so all compounds are hitting the system at once at full force, or you can back load the cycle and use it for the last 4 wks up to pct time.

[super-pump]

You can use dbol in many ways when cycling, you can kickstart a long ester cycle off by using it for the first 4 wks or you can start the dbol at around wk 4 when the long ester test is reaching peak so all compounds are hitting the system at once at full force, or you can back load the cycle and use it for the last 4 wks up to pct time.

Thanks marcus...in saying that which approach would you recommend to a first time steroid user? also, please give me your opinion on the on-cycle and OCT drugs....I appreciate your help!

[carp123]

You can use dbol in many ways when cycling, you can kickstart a long ester cycle off by using it for the first 4 wks or you can start the dbol at around wk 4 when the long ester test is reaching peak so all compounds are hitting the system at once at full force, or you can back load the cycle and use it for the last 4 wks up to pct time.

yes you can do that but if he starts seeing sides how will know whats casueing them as they willbe ,hitting the system at once at full force ,the point of this his post was to try and wait for one compound to kick in and then another ,both a separate time to see if any of the compounds give sides....

[marcus300]

yes you can do that but if he starts seeing sides how will know whats casueing them as they willbe ,hitting the system at once at full force ,the point of this his post was to try and wait for one compound to kick in and then another ,both a separate time to see if any of the compounds give sides....

There are many ways to run dbol within a cycle not just kickstarting, thats why i answered his question regarding dbol. Test E reaches its peak around wk 5 it slowly builds up each week it doesn't just spring into full force, if sides are starting to appear he will see them within a couple of week anyway.

[marcus300]

Thanks marcus...in saying that which approach would you recommend to a first time steroid user? also, please give me your opinion on the on-cycle and OCT drugs....I appreciate your help!

what are your starts and whats the cycle your doing?

[SlimJoe]

I wouldn't run dbol over 4 weeks

[carp123]

There are many ways to run dbol within a cycle not just kickstarting, thats why i answered his question regarding dbol. Test E reaches its peak around wk 5 it slowly builds up each week it doesn't just spring into full force, if sides are starting to appear he will see them within a couple of week anyway.

yes mate totaly agree with you and not doubting your vast ammount of experance you have in the aas filed ,i was just pointing out that he wants to try and keep compounds at different ,kick in time,so if sides are seen he ,knows whats causeing them

start dbol and test at same time

if any bad sides are seen within the first 3 weeks it will be the dbol most likely

if any bad sides are seen after weeks 3-4 it will be the test e most likely

[super-pump]

My stats are:
24 yrs old
5'10 175 lbs
about 15% body fat (I will have this lower before I start the cycle)

marcus, the cycle I am considering is a stack of test e and dbol, running dbol for probably 4-6 weeks and test e probably 12 weeks. Im pretty confident that I should pyramid the dbol dosage but not sure about the test e. please keep the advice coming marcus and carp!

[carp123]

dont pyamid dose just keep at one concistant dose ,pyamiding leads to unstable blood levals and this can lead to side ,what have you got planned for pct and if you run into gyno problems on cycle how will you combat it?

[super-pump]

planning on having arimidex for on cycle and probably novaldex and clomid for PCT. If i run into gyne I will probably also use the novaldex while on cycle. you really think I should just take the 25-30 mg of dbol right away instead of building up to that amount and leveling off? what's your advice in terms of amounts of all the drugs and how often to inject the test e?

[Redial]

If Test E and some oral (tbol, dbol etc) are used in same cycle, one of the best ways I think is to use the orals in the END of the cycle, so called "anabolic bridging to PCT".

Like in example:

Test E... weeks 1-12
Dbol/Tbol/etc.. weeks 10-14
PCT -> weeks 14-18

That is very efficient way, it will boost your gains to the maximum at the end, and it smoothens up the way down in test levels when you stop, then you can jump right on to PCT because dbol has such a short half-life.

Or why won't you use it in the first 4 weeks and last 4weeks? Good way too.

[toooosmall]

I started my first cycle nearly a month ago. test e 500mg/wk, 4 week dbol kicker at 40mg/day. e divided up in a week, 250 friday, 250 tuesday. i like that. plus, a ml is a lot in my leg. 2 ml i don't know. using 25g needles reduces pain alot. 7 days after my first shot, i went through a bit of an unexpected shock: 3 days of depressing mood swings. a week later i felt normal again (whew). (i had no heads up on that one, so there's yours) just grin n bear it. well worth it. the rest you'll see is good I got 2 more months to see more results, so...
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