I need some advice and help

[ramrodmat]

Hey everyone
New to this and new to the thought of steroids

I really need some help and advice cause i dont want to mess this up and i have a feeling the way my buddy is going he may be

So heres my story
Im 26 fairly active non smoker
ive always gone to the gym, played hockey and football
but i never really ate all that healthy and i drank
im irish it was hard not to drink its practically all we are good at
anyways
so july i started getting serious
gym is 5 days a week now
i went from 200 to 193 and realized my goals changed i wanted to just get big and strong as opposed to having the beach body
i have quit drinking and im eating right. i do sneak in the odd burger here and there but my meals are chicken and pasta snacks are grapes and almonds breakfast is oatmeal

i am now back at 200
im 5'11
26 years old
id say my body fat is 16 to 18
i have a bit of belly chub

i want to know what would be best to start off
i want to cut down a bit for summer
ive worked so hard and would like to show off the results
what could i do to eliminate the belly fat and get stronger
im not looking for a lot of water retention i dont want something that will just be gone when im done

now my friend went to a mutual acquintance and asked for help with this
hes 5'11
182 lbs

his problem is he isnt lifting as much as me and wants more definition
so to keep up with me he went and got him self tren and im not sure what kind

i have read that isnt the best thing to start off with even though he was gonna start with half the recommended dose

i just need some help here guys
what should i be doing and what should he be doing

thanks

[ramrodmat]

also forgot to add
im looking for something clean with the least side effects as possible
as im sure everyone is

i bet you guys know what im talking about anyway
im just rambling

[Bullseye Forever]

Not to be negative my friend,but IMO you are to young to be thinking about AAS now,not being a smart ass man,but you should be at high levels right now,and concentrating on your weight training and diet

[Reed]

To shed and get stronger I would definitely dial in that diet as perfect as possible. Oatmeal only for breakfast isn't cutting it whatsoever. Head down to the diet section.

I would NOT take anything other than testosterone for your goals. And your friend needs to put the tren away as he might end up having ED problems without then addition of testosterone. That is the most powerful injectable availabe and he needs to wise up and hold out on that bottle

Start by going through the stickies, educate yourself on the proper way to cycle and learn Swiftos PCT. Here's a good starting point----> http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

All the info is in front of your face you need to educate in order to reap the benefits. Most important things first though. Re-evalute your basics: training and diet. you can never learn enough

[ramrodmat]

Not to be negative my friend,but IMO you are to young to be thinking about AAS now,not being a smart ass man,but you should be at high levels right now,and concentrating on your weight training and diet

no doesnt seem too negative
im just asking for help cause i dont know anything about this and neither does my buddy
i feel like he was just tossed something that this guy knows nothing about
the guy wanted to make his money and thats that

i wasnt sure if 26 was too young. i know ive met guys at the gym 22 and 23 they are right into it 2nd and 3rd cycles

i appreciate every little bit of advice and knowledge passed on

im gonna take reeds advice and just do my homework
learn as much as i can before i make a move

[cro]

26 is right there . test only

[Tigershark]

You are going to have to worry about sides with any compound. There is no steroid that is side free. Just depends on how sensative you are to them. But yeah a test only cycle is where you want to start.

[ramrodmat]

thats what ive heard and read now
i spent about an hour and a half going through what reed has linked there

there should be a way everyone who joins has to read that
lol
i learnt alot from that
ive read alot of newbie questions like mine and its really all in there

now i feel like the jackass