Alexei Lesukov before the Arnold Classic Amatuer

[HALTEH]

See, what bothers me here is.. he's 22, and yet nobody has brought of the fact that he's "too young to cycle" but on the forums, when somebody asks about it at a younger age, they get completely reemed out, EVEN IF, they've clearly done their research and know the dangers involved.

Aleksey has obv. been cycling since he was like 16 or something.

Maybe the young person inquiring about the juice wants to, and has the ability to turn out like this?

sorry to get off topic, but this was just the perfect example to bring it up.

[goodlifting]

See, what bothers me here is.. he's 22, and yet nobody has brought of the fact that he's "too young to cycle" but on the forums, when somebody asks about it at a younger age, they get completely reemed out, EVEN IF, they've clearly done their research and know the dangers involved.

Aleksey has obv. been cycling since he was like 16 or something.

Maybe the young person inquiring about the juice wants to, and has the ability to turn out like this?

sorry to get off topic, but this was just the perfect example to bring it up.

you're not the first to bring this up. very good point too. However, he has been working with his trainer and a whole host of other professionals since he first started training. more often than not, the average joe doesn't have a team of professionals for guidance. that is why the veterans here suggest holding off on aas until it is realistically safe to do so.

[Hazard]

See, what bothers me here is.. he's 22, and yet nobody has brought of the fact that he's "too young to cycle" but on the forums, when somebody asks about it at a younger age, they get completely reemed out, EVEN IF, they've clearly done their research and know the dangers involved.

Aleksey has obv. been cycling since he was like 16 or something.

Maybe the young person inquiring about the juice wants to, and has the ability to turn out like this?

sorry to get off topic, but this was just the perfect example to bring it up.

See..... the problem with this is the fact that we only see his success but what we don't see is the thousands of young kids who attempted this and failed. We don't give out advice to underage kids because 99% of them that come here want a better beach body and we hold a higher moral standard.

Take vishus for example..... he's young..... but he's a competitor. If he was brand new to this I can guarantee you he wouldn't get advice either. He understands the risks and he took the plunge. He's a competative bodybuilder and hopefully he has great success.

This isn't the case for MOST young guys..... so instead of giving out advice to a kid who most likely wont have success in the sport - we err on the side of caution.

Hope this helps clear that up for yah.....

~Haz~

[vishus]

See..... the problem with this is the fact that we only see his success but what we don't see is the thousands of young kids who attempted this and failed. We don't give out advice to underage kids because 99% of them that come here want a better beach body and we hold a higher moral standard.

Take vishus for example..... he's young..... but he's a competitor. If he was brand new to this I can guarantee you he wouldn't get advice either. He understands the risks and he took the plunge. He's a competative bodybuilder and hopefully he has great success.

This isn't the case for MOST young guys..... so instead of giving out advice to a kid who most likely wont have success in the sport - we err on the side of caution.

Hope this helps clear that up for yah.....

~Haz~

Haz,

thank you for shedding some light on this and also including me in the process. i will back ya up. before i even took my first shot i did research on every drug, side effect (short and long) and weighed my pros and cons b4 plunging in. once i actually did so, i was under guidance from a very close friend who has been using for over a decade and was more concerned about my health than how big i could get. i had the available resources and was mentally prepared for what these drugs were to do to me, whether it was positive or catastrophic on my body. and also, i am a competitive bodybuilder, and will be until my body gives out. i agree with you vets, i wouldnt suggest this to anyone else my age, especially those looking for just a 'better body' or 'confidence boost'.

[HALTEH]

See..... the problem with this is the fact that we only see his success but what we don't see is the thousands of young kids who attempted this and failed. We don't give out advice to underage kids because 99% of them that come here want a better beach body and we hold a higher moral standard.

Take vishus for example..... he's young..... but he's a competitor. If he was brand new to this I can guarantee you he wouldn't get advice either. He understands the risks and he took the plunge. He's a competative bodybuilder and hopefully he has great success.

This isn't the case for MOST young guys..... so instead of giving out advice to a kid who most likely wont have success in the sport - we err on the side of caution.

Hope this helps clear that up for yah.....

~Haz~

Very well put, and agreed.

That being said, I myself wish to take bodybuilding as far as I possibly can. I am young, and I just started my first cycle (no, I'm not in my teens, dont worry, but I'm not 25+)

I've done 2 years of nothing but reading on the subject, and I'll be hiring a coach to help prep. me for my first show this november (assuming all goes well) [it's not a drug tested show]

Anyways, it was just my two cents. And I do completely agree, its not for every teen who just wants a six-pack and a set of big arms. But thats not me at all. I literally would DIE to look like an IFBB pro, and I'll do anything it takes to get me there (or as close as I can)

[jamix2010]

I don't think its necessarily true that Alexei Lesukov had to have been using since 16. My opinion is that if you have the genetics, you can get to where he is, but if not, then not even multiple long term steroid cycles are going to get you there either. Roids just aren't that good, so without knowing just how gifted he is in the genetics department and with training, he may only have been juicing for a couple years, or maybe even not at all.

I'm sure many have seen Ronnie C before he became a professional bber. He was a freak then too.

[BgMc31]

I don't think its necessarily true that Alexei Lesukov had to have been using since 16. My opinion is that if you have the genetics, you can get to where he is, but if not, then not even multiple long term steroid cycles are going to get you there either. Roids just aren't that good, so without knowing just how gifted he is in the genetics department and with training, he may only have been juicing for a couple years, or maybe even not at all.

I'm sure many have seen Ronnie C before he became a professional bber. He was a freak then too.

You are absolutely dillusional!!! LOL!!! Not even Ronnie was built like this when he was playing football at Grambling. Yes he was very muscular, but nothing like this. Good genetics will only take you so far, but definitely NOT this far.

[jamix2010]

You are absolutely dillusional!!! LOL!!! Not even Ronnie was built like this when he was playing football at Grambling. Yes he was very muscular, but nothing like this. Good genetics will only take you so far, but definitely NOT this far.

How do you how far someone's genetics can take them? Obviously both Alexei and Ronnie are genetic freaks, but without knowing the extent of they're "talents", its impossible to conclude they've been juicing for years or even at all. Perhaps both respond very well to training too.

[Hazard]

How do you how far someone's genetics can take them? Obviously both Alexei and Ronnie are genetic freaks, but without knowing the extent of they're "talents", its impossible to conclude they've been juicing for years or even at all. Perhaps both respond very well to training too.

ok..... here are my thoughts on this.....

Alexi most definately has great genetics. What does that mean? He responds very well to anabolics, his metabolism is probably great, and he's probably got more muscle fibers than most. To get to the level he is at..... he still had to work extremilly hard and it still had to have taken years. The kid is 22...... I doubt he made THAT much progress in 2-3 years. On top of that..... he's very short..... which leads me to believe he started at a young age.

~Haz~

[chi]

You are absolutely dillusional!!! LOL!!! Not even Ronnie was built like this when he was playing football at Grambling. Yes he was very muscular, but nothing like this. Good genetics will only take you so far, but definitely NOT this far.

x2 jamix you are delusional.