You'll want to read this!

[LesterAbbott]

hey, it's an awesome content. Great!

[Ronnie Rowland]

care to explain that please? What does ''not peaking as high'' means? test prop peaks higher on the graph once injected than slow acting esters but slow acting esters actually start working a little bit earlier than prop after injecting. The higher peak from prop provides gains faster than slower acting esters-hence the reason some use prop to jump start a cycle. i thought long estered would build up and peak by week 4-6...? not so! With slow acting esters you start seeing results around week 3 in terms of beginning to adding muscle but it actually starts to work just a few hours after injection. We discussed this very thing in this thread earlier but not sure where its located.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey, quick update. Did chest/tri's last night. (which was the last workout I did while getting blood work done.) Went up big time in all lifts and in reps also!!! Couldn't believe it!! All my nagging little injuries seem to be healed too. Tonight I have back/bi's which was a problem 2 weeks ago, but with any luck things should roll forward. I moved dead lifts to the beginning of my back workout and feel like this was something I should have done a long time ago. Back/bi is one of my hardest nights, so I'm going to just try to maintain. If I can do that I'm thrilled. The Dengue is definitely over since I'm back to the tren-induced insomnia problem that I was having before. I'm supposed to start cycling the clen again today but I think I've had enough of the elevated body temp for a while, lol. Thanks for all the help Ron. This thing had me worried...

One question though. I had blood work done and had some flags. My LDL was fine but my HDL was 15 which is less than half normal (35-65). The next one was SGOT (AST) 232. It says this should be15-37!!! Yikes!! Same deal with SGPT (ALT) was 265 normal is 0-40. These were the ones that had me worried. Other than that my MCHC was 31.9 (normal 32-36) good I guess, RDW was 16.7 (normal 11,5-14.5) not bad? Then PLT count was 111 Normal being 140-400. Is this acceptable or maybe some of it due to the dengue?

Wait until you get completely better and have it checked again later on down when you come off everything to see whast your normal levels are without being on a cycle. Orals can hurt cholesterol levels .

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Maronn;5561050]Hi Ronnie,

that is interessting. you really think that there is no harm at all for the body if you do for example one 20 weeks slingshot cycle per year. No I do not given your blood pressure and hemocrit levels stay in check. In fact, I am of the opinion that some test and Growth Hormone can expand your lifespan and enhance quality of life.[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

first time trying ur methods ron, in my 2nd reload, jus wondering, for this 2nd reload and every other from now the test ent will kick in the usual time week 3 r 4 correct? Its not meant to kick in straight away like is it test-e kicks in within a few hours after injection just like test prop but it takes a few weeks to start noticing the muscle building effects because muscle is not built over-night.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie

what if i cycle for 8 weeks and pyramid up slowly upto 50mg of dianabol and pyramid down slowly? And also take nolvadex at 20mg every day.

Will i see any gains then? Or will i still blow up and then deflate? you'll still blow up and deflate with an 8 week only cycle regardless of the steroid used (injectable or oral). You should run winstrol for first 10 weeks and d-bol for second 10 weeks with higher dosages beinbg used for 1st and 2nd 8 week reloads. Cut dosages by half during deloads. 50 mgs of winstrol daily and 50 mgs of d-bol daily for reloads would be a good starting ground. 50 mgs of proviron daily for 20 weeks would also be a good idea instead of nolvadex.could you recommend a begginers cycle for me that consists of only oral tablets as i hate injections. you can inject test-e once a week and look and feel better than any orals!thanks.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Mr. Rowland, I'm new, and hopeful you can help.
Basics: I am a 40s male with limited use of my legs due to injury to spine some 20 yrs ago. Additionally due to same CNS does not deliver the Testosterone nor Thyroid production message fully. Duly I am on physician prescribed injectable test and oral usd thyroid. While my counts are not extreme I am on sufficient amounts to register in the high normal.
Lifting: Via primarily upper body free weight and machine lifting and body weight only wall squats (I can secure myself via holding on to rails) I have good strength and size where feasible.
Question: Essencially using limited upper body strength movements only and with no cardio of note, is there any substance I can combine with these two meds in order to maximize Fat loss without significant muscle loss and ideailly gains? You could run some clenbuterol and growth hormone.thank you

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=frontlinemorgue;5563380]I ran a cycle about a year ago of test enathanate and deca and had pretty good gains. I was looking to get into another cycle now any suggestions on what would be good to get back into I wanted to also put on a lot of weight so maybe dbol or something test and d-bol with a little deca would be a good choice.[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey, it's an awesome content. Great!

thank you!

[kelevra]

Getting ready to start week 4 of first reload. First 8 is Test E only @ 500mg weekly. the deload will be 250mg Test weekly. For the second 8 I was going to up the Test to 750 weekly and add 500mg of Decca. How does that sound?

In week 3 I added 250IU of HCG 2x weekly. I have noticed a bit of nipple sensitivity. When just sitting around i feel nothing, but if I hit my chest on something I can feel they have gotten sensitive. I know the HCG will add Estrogen to my system as will the Test. It seems by reading your thread you recommend to stay clear of estrogen control unless it becomes needed. At what point do you recommend adding something to protect from gyno?
I have Aromasin & Nolva on hand. I have seen on the thread were you recommend Aromasin @ 12.5 EOD. Is that about Right?
AND THANKS FOR THE ADVICE ON THE LIQUID EGG WHITES. THEY HAVE ALLOWED ME TO BE MORE CREATIVE AND BETTER WITH MY DIET PLAN. THANKS

[LightBearer631]

Ronnie great post but i have some questions... I planned my first cycle of test-2 500mg wk for 12 or 14wks... now with youre program, how would i apply this?
1) cycle at 500mk a week for 8 weeks, then lower my dosage for 2 weeks- how low?
2) since test-e is a long ester should i just not pin any for the deload? will receptors re-sensatize even though the test e is still active for thoes 2 weeks?
3) and after the deload, would it be cool for me to reload after the 2wks at 500mg per week for another 4-6 weeks ( mind oyu this is a fist cycle)
so is this how i would go about it?

[Ronnie Rowland]

getting ready to start week 4 of first reload. First 8 is test e only @ 500mg weekly. The deload will be 250mg test weekly. For the second 8 i was going to up the test to 750 weekly and add 500mg of decca. How does that sound? sounds fine if deca does not cause sexual dysfunction for you.in week 3 i added 250iu of hcg 2x weekly. I have noticed a bit of nipple sensitivity. When just sitting around i feel nothing, but if i hit my chest on something i can feel they have gotten sensitive. I know the hcg will add estrogen to my system as will the test. It seems by reading your thread you recommend to stay clear of estrogen control unless it becomes needed. At what point do you recommend adding something to protect from gyno? if you start feeling a lump or start having painful nipples past 2 weeks while doing nothing but sitting around then get some form of estogen control.i have aromasin & nolva on hand. I have seen on the thread were you recommend aromasin @ 12.5 eod. Is that about right? yes and you could use nolvadex first off to eliminate the problem then switch over to aromasin for maintenance which would also prevent estrogen rebound .and thanks for the advice on the liquid egg whites. They have allowed me to be more creative and better with my diet plan. great to hear! thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie great post but i have some questions... I planned my first cycle of test-2 500mg wk for 12 or 14wks... Now with youre program, how would i apply this?
1) cycle at 500mk a week for 8 weeks, then lower my dosage for 2 weeks- how low? 250 per week
2) since test-e is a long ester should i just not pin any for the deload? keep pinning once a week as too much of a hormonal change is hard on the body as a whole. will receptors re-sensatize even though the test e is still active for thoes 2 weeks? yes and its just enough time to prevent muscle loss through lower dosing
3) and after the deload, would it be cool for me to reload after the 2wks at 500mg per week for another 4-6 weeks ( mind oyu this is a fist cycle)
so is this how i would go about it? go 750 for second reload and make it 8 weeks

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[LightBearer631]

Damn Ronnie, you are quick ! i just have a couple questions in responce to ur advice
you said i should make the 2nd reload 8 weeks for a total of 16wks on, now do you think a 16 weeker is ok for a newb? ( im not against it, just dont want to hurt my recovery)
and im not too comfortable with the idea of going up to 750 on 2nd reload, as im new and do not know how that dose will affect me (side-effect wise)
if i dont feel up to the 750, would i still be ok with staying at 500 after the 250 deload? and im going to be running aromasin and hcg thru the entire cycle if that matters (HCG-250 2x wk, aro-12.5mg eod or 6mg/day)

[lynxeffect1]

why is it that the first few times i took dbol it boosted my apetite greatly but now ive had to come off after 2 wks cause it was killing my apetite

[MercuryEvo]

So Below is the my game plan. But I can only get HCG in 10,000IU bottles and once you reconstitute with BS water, it only last 20-30 days. So My problem is I'd have to get like 5-6 bottles and waste alot of it. Anyone have any tips for making it last longer, or dividing it up when its a powder accurately? Or can I run it another way?



Ok I decided to wait until soon to start this, so hopefully I can look nice for summer Here is my plan. Ronnie, please critique.
I'm 5'9" 1/2 and 188 lbs with 12%-14% BF. I can drop down to 180lbs pretty easily though and probably will do so before beginning this.


My only questions are:

A. Should I do traps with shoulders or do them alone on the bi's/chest day?
B. How bad is it if I drink alcohol here and there on the weekends? Lets say a few beers with friends or a few drinks, I'd keep it down to 1x a week at most?


mon Chest/biceps + cardio
tues Legs + cardio
weds Off (maybe cardio)
thurs Shoulders/triceps + cardio
fri Back + cardio
sat Off (maybe cardio)
sun Off (maybe cardio)

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
Week 1 500mg Test E
week 2 500mg Test E
week 3 500mg Test E
week 4 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 5 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 6 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 7 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 8 500mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 10 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 12 700mg Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 13 700mg Test E, HCG OFF, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 15 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 16 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 17 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 18 700mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
week 20 200mg Test E, HCG 500iu, Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

PCT: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD, HCG 500iu
week 22 Nolvadex, 40mg ED, Clomid, 70mgED
week 23 Nolvadex, 40mg ED, Clomid, 70mgED
week 24 Nolvadex, 20mg ED, Clomid, 35mgED
week 25 Nolvadex, 20mg ED, Clomid, 35mgED

[chapala45900]

can anyone help me,,,,i want to try my first cycle,,,, i have 2 bottles of sustanon 250,,,2 bottles deca 300 and 1 bottle trembolone 100 each 10ml.... also clenbuterol,,t3 and ketotifen,,,any idea how to use all this,,,

[MercuryEvo]

can anyone help me,,,,i want to try my first cycle,,,, i have 2 bottles of sustanon 250,,,2 bottles deca 300 and 1 bottle trembolone 100 each 10ml.... also clenbuterol,,t3 and ketotifen,,,any idea how to use all this,,,

hmm,

1. your in the wrong thread
2. you need to read for the next month straight before you do anything or your probably gonna hurt yourself

click advanced search at the top right and start reading...

[kisektah1]

Hey RR,

Can you please have a look at my winter cycle:

Wk 1-10: 750mg EW (2x375 Sun/Wed) Sus 250 (1000mg kick start wk 1)
Wk 1-10: 250mg EW Deca
Wk 1-4: 50mcg ED IGF-1 L3 (25mcg bi-laterally Mon-Fri post workout)
Wk 8-11: 50mcg ED IGF-1 L3 (25mcg bi-laterally Mon-Fri post workout)
Wk 1-10: Adex 0.25mg E3D

*HCG only wk 7: 500IU (Mon, Wed, Fri)

PCT: (15 Days After last Pin)

wk 13-16 Nolva: 40/40/20/20(mg ED)
wk 13-14 Clomid: 50mg ED
wk 13-16 Tribulus 50mg ED

Suppliments:
Multi-V/ Fish Oil/ Milk thistle/ Celery Seed.

Just a few Questions:
- How does my cycle look?
- Is my pct good enough?
- I have never used Sus and/or Deca before will i bloat much of them? If i do get a watery look, will it be off balanced by the IGF-1, since it's supposed to help with fat loss?
- Are there major side effects of IGF-1 L3?
- You recon ill have gyno problems

btw im 32, 5'11" tall, and weigh 220 lbs, BF 16%

Thanks

[kisektah1]

double post..

[VRO]

first post... just checking.

[kelevra]

When using a normal base of Test E, is the full 8 week reload @30-50mg of Dbol to stressful for the liver?
Or would it be better to use the Dbol for just 4 weeks for a kick start?
What are your ideas on the relevance of the toxicity to the liver?
Your input is always greatly appreciated.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ron...does steroids increase sleep apnea??? your thoughts on c-pap????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ooohh bye the way--carbmaster yogurt-the bomb!!!!

[djdizzy]

ooohh bye the way--carbmaster yogurt-the bomb!!!!

I agree! Just found it at Ralphs a couple of weeks ago! Great find Ron!

Question, I have a mobile BF% Dunk tank coming to my area. Is it worth it to get checked while on cycle or will all the water weight throw off the reading?

Thanks!
Dizzy

[Ronnie Rowland]

damn ronnie, you are quick ! I just have a couple questions in responce to ur advice
you said i should make the 2nd reload 8 weeks for a total of 16wks on, now do you think a 16 weeker is ok for a newb? it's better because you will hold onto more gains and make more gains as a newbie ( im not against it, just dont want to hurt my recovery)
and im not too comfortable with the idea of going up to 750 on 2nd reload, as im new and do not know how that dose will affect me (side-effect wise)
if i dont feel up to the 750, would i still be ok with staying at 500 after the 250 deload? you could stick with 500 for second reload but you are going to find that 750 is better and your body will soon adjust to 500.and im going to be running aromasin and hcg thru the entire cycle if that matters (hcg-250 2x wk, aro-12.5mg eod or 6mg/day) do not run aromasin unless gyno symptoms appear!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;556***1]why is it that the first few times i took dbol it boosted my apetite greatly but now ive had to come off after 2 wks cause it was killing my apetite MAYBE YOU HAVE GOT A HOLD OF SOME ANADROL INSTEAD OF REAL D-BOL. ARE YOU RUNNING A HIGHER DOSAGE NOW? DID YOU MAKE GOOD GAINS ON D-BOL THE FIRST FEW TIMES YOU USED IT?[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

so below is the my game plan. But i can only get hcg in 10,000iu bottles and once you reconstitute with bs water, it only last 20-30 days. So my problem is i'd have to get like 5-6 bottles and waste alot of it. Anyone have any tips for making it last longer, or dividing it up when its a powder accurately? Or can i run it another way?



Ok i decided to wait until soon to start this, so hopefully i can look nice for summer here is my plan. Ronnie, please critique.
I'm 5'9" 1/2 and 188 lbs with 12%-14% bf. I can drop down to 180lbs pretty easily though and probably will do so before beginning this.


My only questions are:

A. Should i do traps with shoulders or do them alone on the bi's/chest day? if your traps do not get sore do them on shoulder day. If they do get sore post-training then do them on chest day so they do not intefere with back training.
B. How bad is it if i drink alcohol here and there on the weekends? Lets say a few beers with friends or a few drinks, i'd keep it down to 1x a week at most? a little once a week is not too bad when using test only but if someone is using anadrol or d-bol i would steer clear.
mon chest/biceps + cardio
tues legs + cardio
weds off (maybe cardio)
thurs shoulders/triceps + cardio
fri back + cardio
sat off (maybe cardio)
sun off (maybe cardio)

reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 1 500mg test e
week 2 500mg test e
week 3 500mg test e
week 4 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 5 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 6 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 7 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 8 500mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 9 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 10 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

reload: (12 hard sets per body part each week, 300g protein, 200g carbs, 80g fat)
week 11 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 12 700mg test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 13 700mg test e, hcg off, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 15 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 16 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 17 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 18 700mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

deload: (6 sets per body part each week and change exercises, lower weights, higher reps. 150g protein, 100g carbs, <40g fat )
week 19 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod
week 20 200mg test e, hcg 500iu, aromasin 12.5mg eod

pct: (continue reload / deload workouts and exercises as well as diet)
week 21 aromasin 12.5mg eod, hcg 500iu
week 22 nolvadex, 40mg ed, clomid, 70mged
week 23 nolvadex, 40mg ed, clomid, 70mged
week 24 nolvadex, 20mg ed, clomid, 35mged
week 25 nolvadex, 20mg ed, clomid, 35mged

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[Ronnie Rowland]

can anyone help me,,,,i want to try my first cycle,,,, i have 2 bottles of sustanon 250,,,2 bottles deca 300 and 1 bottle trembolone 100 each 10ml.... Also clenbuterol,,t3 and ketotifen,,,any idea how to use all this,,,

do some research. First time cycles are test only in order to see how your body is going to react. Deca will probably kill your libido! Tren is for the more advanced. Sustanon at 1ml mwf is good.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey rr,

can you please have a look at my winter cycle:

Wk 1-10: 750mg ew (2x375 sun/wed) sus 250 (1000mg kick start wk 1)
wk 1-10: 250mg ew deca
wk 1-4: 50mcg ed igf-1 l3 (25mcg bi-laterally mon-fri post workout)
wk 8-11: 50mcg ed igf-1 l3 (25mcg bi-laterally mon-fri post workout)
wk 1-10: Adex 0.25mg e3d

*hcg only wk 7: 500iu (mon, wed, fri)

pct: (15 days after last pin)

wk 13-16 nolva: 40/40/20/20(mg ed)
wk 13-14 clomid: 50mg ed
wk 13-16 tribulus 50mg ed

suppliments:
Multi-v/ fish oil/ milk thistle/ celery seed.

Just a few questions:
- how does my cycle look? :d
- is my pct good enough?
- i have never used sus and/or deca before will i bloat much of them? If i do get a watery look, will it be off balanced by the igf-1, since it's supposed to help with fat loss?
- are there major side effects of igf-1 l3?
- you recon ill have gyno problems

btw im 32, 5'11" tall, and weigh 220 lbs, bf 16%

thanks

it's all messed up! Go re-read the first page and look at others 20 week sample cycles in this thread.

[Ronnie Rowland]

when using a normal base of test e, is the full 8 week reload @30-50mg of dbol to stressful for the liver? use it 8 weeks along with test!or would it be better to use the dbol for just 4 weeks for a kick start? better to run 30 mgs for 8 weeks than 50 for only 4 weeks. It takes time to build muscle!what are your ideas on the relevance of the toxicity to the liver? taking high dosages without going off is the problem but 8 weeks is fine. Also, some elevation in liver enzymes can make you feel tired but its not going to hurt you long term unless you already have liver problems.your input is always greatly appreciated.

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[bernimx]

Ronnie,

In your experience, could a joint support supplement such as cissus work for the joint pain that occurs on a test-winny cycle? (I know you recommend deca, but let's say someone wants to avoid 19-nors)

[bernimx]

I also had a question for you in this thread, I just realised afterwards that you were probably just answering questions here...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...raining-System

[lynxeffect1]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5571766]

why is it that the first few times i took dbol it boosted my apetite greatly but now ive had to come off after 2 wks cause it was killing my apetite MAYBE YOU HAVE GOT A HOLD OF SOME ANADROL INSTEAD OF REAL D-BOL. ARE YOU RUNNING A HIGHER DOSAGE NOW? DID YOU MAKE GOOD GAINS ON D-BOL THE FIRST FEW TIMES YOU USED IT?[/QUOTE]ABOVE

Wel it suposed to be d-bol anyway! i have box of d-bol and anadrol, yes the first time i took dbol it was dbol only cycle and 5 tabs a day and made great gains , then the 2nd time with 5 a day with a diff brand made great gains again, esp in strength both times, eg . 20 kg rise in my squat both times, took 7 tabs this time but came off because nothing had happened after 14 days and killing my apetite, this was a diff brand again, before this with my test i took anadrol of the same brand, 2 a day , 2 a day, then one a day , then one a day, then repeat, gained a lot of weight - a pound a day for first 2 weeks but dropped it at week 3 because getn cramps incase it ruined the cycle but didnt see the great strength gains that are talked about, went from 95 to 105s for incline db which i suppose is stil a gud gain but gaind no more strength then after that when the test was supposed to be kicking in , i thought combining wud give greater results than one steroid alone? then in my 2 week deload went back to only being able to handle 95's for incline db. so im 2 weeks into 2nd reload now and doin just test cause of dropping the dbol

[LightBearer631]

above

ok i will see how i feel on 500 if all is good then ill up it to 750
"do not run aromasin unless gyno symptoms appear!" I always read its better to run AI on cycle to be safe? i dont have gyno at all but what alarms me is that my nipples were always slightly puffy looking when theyre not hard, idk if it has any relation to it though, my pecs are perfectly normal though
and thanks for your time and advice!!!

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I've done a lot of gear in the past and had some sore injection sites, usually in relation to the amount injected, speed of injection and how often in one site. This cycle I've had a bunch of 1" 23 gauge needles, so I've been hitting mainly alternating delts and quads. I also inject vitamin B1-B6-B12 (3 ml). Also I'm doing Sust 250 and Parabolan which is 76.5 mg/1.5 ml. 1 gram Sust/608 mg Parabolan then I usually put the vitamin B in another syringe. Because of the size of the injections I do what amounts to 4 ml 4 times a week. Last Monday I found a 1.5" needle and decided to do all 7 ml (including the vitamin B) in my glute. Anyway, as you can imagine it was sore which I expected. The thing is, 2 days later all the way up to 6 days later it has been so sore I couldn't even lay on that side. No redness or heat and I'm always super clean, the thing is I developed a fever 2 days after the injection. Now to make matters more dubious, I just got over Dengue fever which put me out a week, but after that I came back stronger than ever on all lifts. This was one full week previous. I don't have access to anything you'd call a real Doc, but I thought a cycle of antibiotics (Zithromax) might be worth a try. Most people think it's an after shock from the Dengue which isn't unheard of, but I haven't told anyone about the injections. Is there any adverse effects that taking the Zithro with Test/Tren that you know of? Maybe better safe than sorry? I mean I know I've seen a lot of new guys on here complaining about injection site pain, and I'm no stranger to that, but this is a whole new level of pain....(But no swelling, heat or redness...). I keep expecting the pain to lessen, but it really isn't. I've lately seen, as I'm sure you have too, an interview with that dude with the worlds biggest biceps that had an abscess and did surgery on himself (?) and seriously fvcked himself up. It scared the hell out of me... What would you do?

[Ronnie Rowland]

please make not of this: do not pm me questions but rather ask them in this thread. Also, even when doing straight sets, going really heavy with lower repetitions for too long (even during a reload) can cause joint pain for some. I recommend that if you fall into that category use periodization and vary rrepetitions as needed from higher to lower.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron...does steroids increase sleep apnea??? i don't think we really know 100% at this point but i have seen no evidence that steroids alone cause the throat tissue to thicken but they can disrupt breathing a little for some at night-probably due to water weight. Your thoughts on c-pap????i like the bi-pap machine much better!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=bernimx;5571831]Ronnie,

In your experience, could a joint support supplement such as cissus work for the joint pain that occurs on a test-winny cycle? (I know you recommend deca, but let's say someone wants to avoid 19-nors)SOME HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH JOINT SUPPLEMENTS BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY WORK WELL AT ALL REGARDING THE DRYING OUT EFFECTS OF WINSTROL. YOU SHOULD GIVE CISSUS A TRY AND SEE. IT CERTAINLY WON'T HURT BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK LIKE DECA. [/QUOTE]ABOVE.

[Rizdizzle]

Hi Ronnie im thinking of doing a 16 week blast this summer with your STS training technique. Heres what ive got
Here is a little cycle history first. Ive done 2 cycles one when i was 20 and the other last year.

First Cycle consisted of
1-4 Dbols 50mg/day
1-12 Deca @ 300mg/wk
1-12 Test Cyp @500mg/wk

2nd Cycle
1-12 Test Enanthate @600mg/wk

So for the STS 18 weeker i was thinking of going

Reload
1-8 Test Cyp @500mg/wk
1-5 Anadrol @50-100mg/wk (dose dependant on sides)
Deload
9-10 test cyp @ 250mg/wk
Reload
11-18 Test Cyp @ 750mg/wk
11-18 Anavar @ 30-50mg/day

I also have extra Nolvaldex for my cycle if any sides present and was going to take 10mg per day

PCT was going to be the standard
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20


Thank for your time Ronnie and what a great thread you have going here!