forgot to mention ron , the first time i took dbol , under the side of my ankles and in between my elbow joints were extremely lubricated i had lumps there and it was fantastic for lifting heavy. since then ive used diff dbol and never had that again, shud i have gotten that again if the dbol was proper or was it just because the first time is ur best ? ive also being reading more books and online about the wrestlers inda 80s/90s inda wwe and basically it seems everyone was on amounts totalling nearly 10grams a week, how the hell did they combat the water retention ??? was it t up just up the amounts of anti e's aswel ? ud expect their heads to be like balloons! lastly ron this is a bit off topic but have u ever watched jersey shore , theres 2 guys in it ,ronnie and mike, ronnies like pj braun and mikes like rambo! i know ur not seeing everything but it seems they both eat **** all and when they do its something crap and totally differant everyday, no sets meals ever and they go out drinking then nearly every night of the week!!! this is totally against everything ur supposed to be doin, how is this , is it just abusing large doses again?