So Confused!~! Please show me a Clair Path.!!!

[ohayoo22]

Hi guys,

so, iv been working out for about 3 years, only on the last year iv been hitting the gym 5-6 days a week trying to see some real results. so far iv only gained about 2kgs in the last 6mths i do believe im eating well, taking the right supplements and doing the work.

iv been thinking of taking steroids for the last few weeks i understand theres alot more research needs to be done b4 i start my 1st cycle

i have a mate whos taking:
Sus 250
Trenbolone
both 1ml twice a week, monday then friday for 2mths
Stanazol
on the last mth

he has one week left. he looks abit puffy but overall he looks gr8! and gained alot of mass & strength.
im thinking of going on the same cycle but after hrs of reading and research there is so much i dont understand and its just getting Confusing. eg: names and terms etc...

1. what shout be my 1st cycle? and PCT? i really dont want bitch tits as i think i have some already:/
2. how do i know if its real or fake?
3. whats best for gyno?

my stats:
28 years old
working out 3yrs, working hard on the last 12mth.
1.82cm
85-86kgs
High protein, clean crabs, lots of fiber, some fruit and some fats.

im sorry for going on so long its my 1st time and i want to do it right.

I would really appreciate any advice and help you can give me.

Thanks
Ohayoo22

[Matt]

The first thing i would ask you to do is have a good read of the board rules, then edit your post accordingly and then we can get onto answering your questions...

Thanks....

[Matt]

Heres a starting point for rules...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...u-should-know]

[ohayoo22]

sorry! my bad!

[t-gunz]

woop another aussie

we taking over :P

[ohayoo22]

Sorry about that! Should of spent 5 more mins reading befor I made a post lol.
Should be ok now.

Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks mate

[jtuner77]

can you list your diet along with macros and total cals along with when you are working out?

[Lecent83]

From personal experience and board recommendations, first Cycle;

Cycle 1:
1 – 10 Test Enanthate 250mg every 3.5 days
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
11 1000iu HCG
12 1000iu HCG
PCT (14 days from last injection)

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / HCG 1000iu eod
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / HCG 1000iu eod
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva

pick up some Letro just in case and make sure you have all the needles syringes + some and every bit of your cycle and pct before you start.

This will allow you to see how your body is going to react to the cycle.

Some people get sides easy others don't. till you see where you fall play it safe.

Make sure to read everything you can about the substances your putting into your body so you know what to expect.

[bhradain]

From personal experience and board recommendations, first Cycle;

Cycle 1:
1 – 10 Test Enanthate 250mg every 3.5 days
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
11 1000iu HCG
12 1000iu HCG
PCT (14 days from last injection)

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / HCG 1000iu eod
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / HCG 1000iu eod
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva

pick up some Letro just in case and make sure you have all the needles syringes + some and every bit of your cycle and pct before you start.

This will allow you to see how your body is going to react to the cycle.

Some people get sides easy others don't. till you see where you fall play it safe.

Make sure to read everything you can about the substances your putting into your body so you know what to expect.

dont take hcg for pct,,, use during cycle

[Lecent83]

dont take hcg for pct,,, use during cycle

I'd love to hear your theory on why your saying this..

HCG is used to return hpta (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) to normal levels. using HCG during cycle WILL NOT prevent the suppression of your hpta on cycle it is inevitable.

In fact HCG should be used almost entirely off cycle whether it's PCT or in a "mini cycle of it's own." LH levels recover much quicker then HPTA (LH is what the pituitary gland secretes to kick your HPTA up [during hcg lh is suppressed]) that is why we use hcg for PCT.

[ohayoo22]

it sounds alot more complecated then what im imaging but i will investigte more on your advice (Lecent83) thank you.

[ohayoo22]

during my cycle time my diet will 100% under my trainer's guide. and from what his telling me its gonna be very different. he will be there from day1 3-4 time per week.

[xeroxy]

I'd love to hear your theory on why your saying this..

HCG is used to return hpta (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) to normal levels. using HCG during cycle WILL NOT prevent the suppression of your hpta on cycle it is inevitable.

In fact HCG should be used almost entirely off cycle whether it's PCT or in a "mini cycle of it's own." LH levels recover much quicker then HPTA (LH is what the pituitary gland secretes to kick your HPTA up [during hcg lh is suppressed]) that is why we use hcg for PCT.

No it isn't.
No it shouldn't.
Using HCG on cycle will keep the testes functioning, why do you think it's a good idea not to keep the testes functioning on cycle?

[Matt]

I would never use hcg as a pct or during pct because its suppressive...

For it to be effective then run it during cycle and running up to pct....

[THE-DET-OAK]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Lecent83]

I would never use hcg as a pct or during pct because its suppressive...

For it to be effective then run it during cycle and running up to pct....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...teroid.com-%29

Bottom of second Post

Says 500iu a day for the first 3 weeks.

This Sticky in the PCT forum shouldn't be trusted?