1-AD for 6 weeks at 900 mg daily

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I disagree with HERO!!! This kid is 17 and a low dosadge of 1-ad wouldnt even effect him since he is in optimal hormone/testosterone phase (commonly known as puberty). Prohormones will only dent ur wallet. Take it from those that know bro!! Read what cfiler wrote over and over!

[YucLam]

Estrogen causes the closure of ephysial growth plates, not testosterone or its derivatives. 1-ad's parent hormone 1-test does not aromatise, therefore it would not stunt growth. BTW I am in 10th day of cycle at 600 mg daily

[cfiler]

Estrogen causes the closure of ephysial growth plates, not testosterone or its derivatives. 1-ad's parent hormone 1-test does not aromatise, therefore it would not stunt growth. BTW I am in 10th day of cycle at 600 mg daily

Yes and no.

Any "artificial" (not made by our own bodie) testosterone will shut you down. For someone going through puberty to be "shut down," and not producing any test is definately not a good thing. 200 mgs would be too little to notice. Infact once that 200mgs is broken down by the liver it will be less than his natural test levels, so he could be hindering his gains.

Plus at 17 his bone structure and joints have not fully developed. Say he was to do some prohormones, and they were effective(hypothetical) his joints would not be able to keep up to the muscle growth.

That is why people build bases/ structures before using AS or PHs. Definately wait untill you are atleast 19/20. With three years of good solid training under your belt, and your body has stopped growing.

Using PH that young could stunt your growth, and to stop growing through puberty will cause physical and emotional effects. Come on being a kid is hard enough, just eat, train and sleep.

[Ex_banana-eater]

Yes and no.

Any "artificial" (not made by our own bodie) testosterone will shut you down. For someone going through puberty to be "shut down," and not producing any test is definately not a good thing.

Show me a study that shows being shut down during puberty is any worse than an adult as far as recovery of natural testosterone levels!! There is none, you are only stating pure heresay.

200 mgs would be too little to notice. Infact once that 200mgs is broken down by the liver it will be less than his natural test levels, so he could be hindering his gains.

Good thing he wont be taking 200mg.

Plus at 17 his bone structure and joints have not fully developed. Say he was to do some prohormones, and they were effective(hypothetical) his joints would not be able to keep up to the muscle growth.

Seriously what are you talking about here? There is no known information to support this theory.

Using PH that young could stunt your growth, and to stop growing through puberty will cause physical and emotional effects. Come on being a kid is hard enough, just eat, train and sleep.

Like already mentioned, and even QUOTED by you, you are wrong. The mere fact that you quoted a statement proving otherwise makes you look foolish. Estrogen causes the closure of ephysial growth plates, not androgens. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD

[Ex_banana-eater]

[QUOTE=cfiler]Yes and no.

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What do you mean yes and no? Did you actually understand what was said there? You didn't even adress what he had quoted, you went off on something else.

[YucLam]

I have not seen anything indicating that androgens should have a permanant negative effect on a young adult, while not having one on an adult that is a couple years older.

They give androgens to children, clinically, to increase the rate of growth (height), so one would think that the effect in this regard would certainly not be devastating."

Thus, it seems that even one who was still in puberty wouldn't be permanently effected by the use of 1-test. Par also stated,

It is not androgens that stop close epiphyseal plates -- it is estrogen. This is not even an issue with 1-test or for 95+% of people over 17-18 years old.

The "sky-high" natural test argument is nonsense -- the AR activity that can be achieved by the better products are probably 10-20 times that of high-normal test levels.

[YucLam]

Androgens can actually stimulate linear growth. OTOH, estrogens will eventually promote the closing of the ends of the bones resulting in inability to grow any taller.

So non-aromatizing androgens (such as oxandrolone) have been given to children with growth problems to stimulate linear growth.

The problem for teenagers is with AROMATIZING androgens

[YucLam]

Note I am quoting Par Deus and Patrick Arnold here.