Outbuilding on Mars?

[Immortal Soldier]

Listen I am all for intelligent life out there, in fact recent calculations by astrophysicist have put a staggering number of intelligent civilizations in our OWN GALAXY alone we are talking about thousands.

Only problem is if a race is advanced enough for inter-stellar travel (we have JUST begun pre-mature anti-matter and astro-particle experiments), it will not be living in 300 foot structure on mars LOL

So if thats human made, then it could be any amount of space debris from all those rovers we have sent to mars since the 70's or it could be previously classified government space projects.

I honestly doubt humans are living on mars and the government is trying to "cover it up", the government doesn't take space travel seriously anymore. The only thing it cares about is testing its new top secret military plane that can go into "space" and re-enter earth's atmosphere repeatedly without re-fueling. Russia has began building their prototype as well.

[akshay317]

Listen I am all for intelligent life out there, in fact recent calculations by astrophysicist have put a staggering number of intelligent civilizations in our OWN GALAXY alone we are talking about thousands.

Only problem is if a race is advanced enough for inter-stellar travel (we have JUST begun pre-mature anti-matter and astro-particle experiments), it will not be living in 300 foot structure on mars LOL

So if thats human made, then it could be any amount of space debris from all those rovers we have sent to mars since the 70's or it could be previously classified government space projects.

I honestly doubt humans are living on mars and the government is trying to "cover it up", the government doesn't take space travel seriously anymore. The only thing it cares about is testing its new top secret military plane that can go into "space" and re-enter earth's atmosphere repeatedly without re-fueling. Russia has began building their prototype as well.

i was watching a documentary on space travel on NGC the other day and theres this guy whos clocked the most hours in space who has built a prototype space craft that will allow humans to travel to mars in mere 39 days. his space craft is independent of fuels and has something to do with channeling all atoms together to geta steady flow of energy or somehting (had a hard time understanding it!).

many plantes out there are more than 100 times bigger than ours, which means more resources to build better crafts. the only question if how many of them are intellegent and THAT advanced.

[Times Roman]

i was watching a documentary on space travel on NGC the other day and theres this guy whos clocked the most hours in space who has built a prototype space craft that will allow humans to travel to mars in mere 39 days. his space craft is independent of fuels and has something to do with channeling all atoms together to geta steady flow of energy or somehting (had a hard time understanding it!).

many plantes out there are more than 100 times bigger than ours, which means more resources to build better crafts. the only question if how many of them are intellegent and THAT advanced.

the type engine they were referring to is called an ion drive. nothing super advanced about it. even built a little prototype to prove that it works. But with afghan/iraq costing $100billion a year, and an annual deficit at almost one Trillion dollars a year, we just don't have reasonable financing to fund something like this anytime soon.

I'm glad I was able to decifer what you were talking about.... you weren't exactly overly clear in your presentation.

"his space craft is independent of fuels".... wrong! All engines require fuel/energy to sustain them.

Go here if you want to understand how an ion propulsion system works....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster

[akshay317]

the type engine they were referring to is called an ion drive. nothing super advanced about it. even built a little prototype to prove that it works. But with afghan/iraq costing $100billion a year, and an annual deficit at almost one Trillion dollars a year, we just don't have reasonable financing to fund something like this anytime soon.

I'm glad I was able to decifer what you were talking about.... you weren't exactly overly clear in your presentation.

"his space craft is independent of fuels".... wrong!

like i said i had a hard time understanding most of it. :-)

[Immortal Soldier]

i was watching a documentary on space travel on NGC the other day and theres this guy whos clocked the most hours in space who has built a prototype space craft that will allow humans to travel to mars in mere 39 days. his space craft is independent of fuels and has something to do with channeling all atoms together to geta steady flow of energy or somehting (had a hard time understanding it!).

many plantes out there are more than 100 times bigger than ours, which means more resources to build better crafts. the only question if how many of them are intellegent and THAT advanced.

Our satellites have already detected 10-20+ Earth like planets that live in their "habitable" zone (distance from their star where liquid water can be present) using technology that is barely adequate in detecting such small planets.

So if we are already finding such planets with rudimentary telescope technology, imagine how many we will find in our galaxy once technology becomes much more advanced.

A lot of physicists including Steven Hawking believe that there are intelligent civilizations out there and he believes that there could be civilizations that have been around for MILLION years or longer. Such civilizations would probably hide their activity from our pathetic fart can telescopes even if we were to spot them.

We might as well be ants to other civilizations, they could careless about us. And any credible UFO sighting is probably...sounds pathetic.....space tourists checking out other worlds. We are the equivalent of an extra-stellar zoo...nothing more, most humans can't accept that.

[Flagg]

Our satellites have already detected 10-20+ Earth like planets that live in their "habitable" zone (distance from their star where liquid water can be present) using technology that is barely adequate in detecting such small planets.

So if we are already finding such planets with rudimentary telescope technology, imagine how many we will find in our galaxy once technology becomes much more advanced.

A lot of physicists including Steven Hawking believe that there are intelligent civilizations out there and he believes that there could be civilizations that have been around for MILLION years or longer. Such civilizations would probably hide their activity from our pathetic fart can telescopes even if we were to spot them.

We might as well be ants to other civilizations, they could careless about us. And any credible UFO sighting is probably...sounds pathetic.....space tourists checking out other worlds. We are the equivalent of an extra-stellar zoo...nothing more, most humans can't accept that.

I can't remember where I read this, but statistically there are approxiamately around 1 million earth planets in our galaxy alone, purely going by the Rare Earth Hypothesis. Even still, many of "us" would be too far apart to reach. Then factor in how many of these planets would give rise to dominate lifeforms like us? If the speed of light was possible, we'd have known it because an equally aggresive yet more advanced civilisation would have visited us by now and stripped our planet bare or resources.

[Immortal Soldier]

I can't remember where I read this, but statistically there are approxiamately around 1 million earth planets in our galaxy alone, purely going by the Rare Earth Hypothesis. Even still, many of "us" would be too far apart to reach. Then factor in how many of these planets would give rise to dominate lifeforms like us? If the speed of light was possible, we'd have known it because an equally aggresive yet more advanced civilisation would have visited us by now and stripped our planet bare or resources.

You are mistaken sir,

You are correct, speed of light is impossible (under current physics laws). But even Einstein said that (anything that travels the speed of light would have so much mass that it wouldn't be able to move), to do inter-stellar travel you would only need to reach 80-90% the speed of light. And remember anything inside the ship that is going the speed of light ages significantly less, so spending a year in a ship going 90% the speed of light translates to 10-20+ years on Earth. Crazy stuff, but is backed by physics.

Human's are an ignorant bunch, no offense you are a prime example "we would have known by now if light travel was possible"? Oh yeah coming from a civilization that 150 years ago didn't even have propeller airplanes let alone a space flight? We are not as advanced as we think we are, just because we have Ipads does not make us an advanced civilization in the universes eyes. We cannot effectively manage our own planet's health and we are using fuel technology that dates back to the dinosaurs. We will never understand the universe completely because 1) We will go extinct by that time 2) We cannot mentally comprehend that level of understanding nor could any computer alive today, even Watson.

There are physics laws that we have still not yet discovered that will greatly change how we view our universe and impact inter-stellar space travel. Theoretical physicist know that theoretically there can be multiple universes, which means theoretically we could enter those universes when this universe dies out. However, to reach that point of advancement we need to understand the basics, we still don't know why there isn't an equal of anti-matter to matter in this universe.

A ignorant human belief is that a civilization advanced enough to do inter-stellar is a civilization that also wastes resources. Just because we humans cannot efficiently manage our resources does not mean that civilizations that our thousands of years more advanced than us are the same. In fact, one can argue because they reached that level of advancement they had to be able to effectively manage resources or else they would have imploded.

It's not hard for a civilization to detect us we have been sending out radio signals for hundreds of years, we are bulls-eye. But they have technologies and resource gather options that we have still yet to understand (we are just attempting to build a fusion reactor) such as asteroid mining.

If a civilization does visit the chances they will be friendly are slim, the friendly one's do not interfere in our life and the bigger concept to understand is the "God civilizations" also known as "intelligent creation". The God civilizations would be one of the first civilizations that managed to survive to this day and be one of the most advanced in the entire universe (they may have even come from other universes), to promote growth in the galaxy these God Civilizations "aid" potential intelligent civilizations in their growth. If you look at history many scholars think the Mayans and Egyptians could not build the structures they did without advanced knowledge of architecture that was ahead of their time.

Anyway, these civilizations promote growth and may even like a "god" create life itself on other planets in order to ensure survival of life in the Universe. In order to prevent the so called "alien nations destroying other alien nations" they probably intervene if any of their creations or any competing civilizations try to declare war on a sovereign civilization.

There are a lot of factors that go into play and it would take to long to describe them all, think of it is as extra-stellar philosophy. Not everything is as simple as Civilization A becomes super advanced and attacks less advanced civilization B and C. It's more complicated than that.

[Flagg]

You are mistaken sir,

You are correct, speed of light is impossible (under current physics laws). But even Einstein said that (anything that travels the speed of light would have so much mass that it wouldn't be able to move), to do inter-stellar travel you would only need to reach 80-90% the speed of light. And remember anything inside the ship that is going the speed of light ages significantly less, so spending a year in a ship going 90% the speed of light translates to 10-20+ years on Earth. Crazy stuff, but is backed by physics.

Human's are an ignorant bunch, no offense you are a prime example "we would have known by now if light travel was possible"? Oh yeah coming from a civilization that 150 years ago didn't even have propeller airplanes let alone a space flight? We are not as advanced as we think we are, just because we have Ipads does not make us an advanced civilization in the universes eyes. We cannot effectively manage our own planet's health and we are using fuel technology that dates back to the dinosaurs. We will never understand the universe completely because 1) We will go extinct by that time 2) We cannot mentally comprehend that level of understanding nor could any computer alive today, even Watson.

There are physics laws that we have still not yet discovered that will greatly change how we view our universe and impact inter-stellar space travel. Theoretical physicist know that theoretically there can be multiple universes, which means theoretically we could enter those universes when this universe dies out. However, to reach that point of advancement we need to understand the basics, we still don't know why there isn't an equal of anti-matter to matter in this universe.

A ignorant human belief is that a civilization advanced enough to do inter-stellar is a civilization that also wastes resources. Just because we humans cannot efficiently manage our resources does not mean that civilizations that our thousands of years more advanced than us are the same. In fact, one can argue because they reached that level of advancement they had to be able to effectively manage resources or else they would have imploded.

It's not hard for a civilization to detect us we have been sending out radio signals for hundreds of years, we are bulls-eye. But they have technologies and resource gather options that we have still yet to understand (we are just attempting to build a fusion reactor) such as asteroid mining.

If a civilization does visit the chances they will be friendly are slim, the friendly one's do not interfere in our life and the bigger concept to understand is the "God civilizations" also known as "intelligent creation". The God civilizations would be one of the first civilizations that managed to survive to this day and be one of the most advanced in the entire universe (they may have even come from other universes), to promote growth in the galaxy these God Civilizations "aid" potential intelligent civilizations in their growth. If you look at history many scholars think the Mayans and Egyptians could not build the structures they did without advanced knowledge of architecture that was ahead of their time.

Anyway, these civilizations promote growth and may even like a "god" create life itself on other planets in order to ensure survival of life in the Universe. In order to prevent the so called "alien nations destroying other alien nations" they probably intervene if any of their creations or any competing civilizations try to declare war on a sovereign civilization.

There are a lot of factors that go into play and it would take to long to describe them all, think of it is as extra-stellar philosophy. Not everything is as simple as Civilization A becomes super advanced and attacks less advanced civilization B and C. It's more complicated than that.

Thanks for refering to me as ignorant, I'm not. You totally misunderstood what I said. When I said that the speed of light is impossible because we'd have known about it by now, I wasn't refering to our technological prowess, but other races. Itslike time travel, impossible in my opinion otherwise there'd be thousands of time travellers existing everywhen.

Of course its plausable to believe other alien races are as aggresive as us, its naïve to assume only we are. Upto 1000 species are dying a year currently because of us, what would stop a far more technologically advanced race from taking what they like from us because they see us as unimportant and because nothing could stop them.

As far as we know, all life requires water to live. Our planet is over 50% water.

You seem to think its like Star Trek out there and maybe it is. And perhaps there are ways of getting around the ftl barrier, but what do i know? I'm just igmorant after all.

[Times Roman]

You are mistaken sir,

You are correct, speed of light is impossible (under current physics laws). But even Einstein said that (anything that travels the speed of light would have so much mass that it wouldn't be able to move), to do inter-stellar travel you would only need to reach 80-90% the speed of light. And remember anything inside the ship that is going the speed of light ages significantly less, so spending a year in a ship going 90% the speed of light translates to 10-20+ years on Earth. Crazy stuff, but is backed by physics.

Human's are an ignorant bunch, no offense you are a prime example "we would have known by now if light travel was possible"? Oh yeah coming from a civilization that 150 years ago didn't even have propeller airplanes let alone a space flight? We are not as advanced as we think we are, just because we have Ipads does not make us an advanced civilization in the universes eyes. We cannot effectively manage our own planet's health and we are using fuel technology that dates back to the dinosaurs. We will never understand the universe completely because 1) We will go extinct by that time 2) We cannot mentally comprehend that level of understanding nor could any computer alive today, even Watson.

There are physics laws that we have still not yet discovered that will greatly change how we view our universe and impact inter-stellar space travel. Theoretical physicist know that theoretically there can be multiple universes, which means theoretically we could enter those universes when this universe dies out. However, to reach that point of advancement we need to understand the basics, we still don't know why there isn't an equal of anti-matter to matter in this universe.

A ignorant human belief is that a civilization advanced enough to do inter-stellar is a civilization that also wastes resources. Just because we humans cannot efficiently manage our resources does not mean that civilizations that our thousands of years more advanced than us are the same. In fact, one can argue because they reached that level of advancement they had to be able to effectively manage resources or else they would have imploded.

It's not hard for a civilization to detect us we have been sending out radio signals for hundreds of years, we are bulls-eye. But they have technologies and resource gather options that we have still yet to understand (we are just attempting to build a fusion reactor) such as asteroid mining.

If a civilization does visit the chances they will be friendly are slim, the friendly one's do not interfere in our life and the bigger concept to understand is the "God civilizations" also known as "intelligent creation". The God civilizations would be one of the first civilizations that managed to survive to this day and be one of the most advanced in the entire universe (they may have even come from other universes), to promote growth in the galaxy these God Civilizations "aid" potential intelligent civilizations in their growth. If you look at history many scholars think the Mayans and Egyptians could not build the structures they did without advanced knowledge of architecture that was ahead of their time.

Anyway, these civilizations promote growth and may even like a "god" create life itself on other planets in order to ensure survival of life in the Universe. In order to prevent the so called "alien nations destroying other alien nations" they probably intervene if any of their creations or any competing civilizations try to declare war on a sovereign civilization.

There are a lot of factors that go into play and it would take to long to describe them all, think of it is as extra-stellar philosophy. Not everything is as simple as Civilization A becomes super advanced and attacks less advanced civilization B and C. It's more complicated than that.

There are many ways to critically approach someone's comments without having to make it seem you are calling them a dumb shiit. Dude, no one is doubting your intellect. You seem an intelligent sort. But the perception of your comment to me, is that it is degrading, and uncalled for. You can make your point without rubbing someone's nose in it.

I certainly have had ample opportunities, yet choose not to do so.

But of course, it is always up to you.