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    First Cycle - Test Cyp 400mg/wk for 10wks

    AGE: 26
    WEIGHT: 75kg - Yes I would have liked to be a bit bigger before starting
    BODYFAT: ~13%
    HEIGHT: 5'10

    I have been training for close to 4 years now, I was in the best shape of my life and ready to cycle a couple of months ago but had an operation and had to take some time off, so the next 2 weeks (before the test kicks in) I will be bringing myself back up to scratch and then hope to go above and beyond with this cycle. I have been researching for quite a while and am really aiming to get the most out of this cycle.

    Cycle is simple, test only for 10 weeks.
    WEEKS 1 - 10: Test Cyp 400mg/wk, 2 x 1ml shots Sunday night/Thursday morning
    WEEKS 3-12: HCG 250ui x2 per week

    -Arimidex on hand, will use at 0.25mg EOD if high est sides develop.
    -Considering adding Winny for last 3-4 weeks of cycle to consolidate gains and firm up muscle before coming off.

    PCT
    Starting 14 days after last shot of Test Cyp.
    Clomid: 25mg/ED for 4 weeks
    Torem: 60mg/ED for 4 weeks
    DAA: ~3g per day for 1 month
    Vitamin C
    Will start using creatine, and pre-workout sups to offset any loss of intensity.

    I plan on following this basic routine for the duration of the cycle:
    Day 1 - Chest and Biceps
    Day 2 - Legs
    Day 3 - Rest
    Day 4 - Shoulders and Triceps
    Day 5 - Back and Abs
    Day 6 - Rest
    Day 7 - Rest

    I will also be running 2-3 times per week, 30 mins intense cardio.

    DIET: Currently getting around 3500 cals a day but will adjust upwards when necessary. Typical day is as follows:

    7am Steak (approx 175g) all fat trimmed
    8am Shake (40g whey protein + 300ml low fat milk + 90g oats)
    10am Small chicken breast (roasted) with veggies
    12pm ‘Healthy burger’ or ‘Chicken Kebab’ (97% fat free)
    4.30pm 200g lean mince beef and sweet potato
    5.30pm – 6.30pm work out
    6.30pm Shake (40g whey protein + 300ml low fat milk + 90g oats) + 10g Glutamine
    8.30pm ~200g atlantic salmon fillet and cous cous.
    10pm Steak

    I will also supplement with Jack3d before workout for first 2 weeks, BCAAs during workouts, multi vitamin once per day, and fish oil.

    First shot 22nd May, 1ml/200mg straight into the quad. It was far easier than I thought and went down without a problem at all. I have to say that after waiting soooooo long to finally do this cycle I am very excited for the next 10 weeks!!

    Ok I think that is everything, will post some before pics.

    Any productive comments are welcomed, including any negative feedback.

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    Good luck! You should get great results. I'll be checking in to see your progress.

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    You my want to improve your diet.

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    Nowhere near ready to cycle. You can get up to 200lbs naturally...

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    I never had any sides at 400 a week....over 500mg a week its always good to be cautious, but you never know.

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    Good luck to you bro.........

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    LOL at the geneticist with access to my complete DNA profile Bigd89... you can get 300lbs naturally mate go for it.

    I don't want to be 200lbs, and I don't really want to do it naturally either. But that is a debate for another thread.

    Thanks to others. I have all ancillaries on hand just in case of sides though I hope not to encounter any.

    38jumper38, could you be more specific? Any suggestions?

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    How much were you weighing when you we're "in the best shape of my life a couple months ago" ?? Gotta be more than 165lbs...

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    what are your goals bro?? just wondering cause you said didn't care about reaching 200. are you looking to end up around 180 or just gain some strength ?? not trying to bash ya; just think it will make the thread more intresting . good luck

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    Looking to do similar cycle with similar stats. Interested to see this progress! good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashingbox View Post
    AGE: 26
    WEIGHT: 75kg - Yes I would have liked to be a bit bigger before starting that is pretty light like bigd said, but if ur 26 with 4 years of serious training, (not just fvucking about in the gym without a diet) then go 4 it i think. u can still make gains anturally afterwards.
    BODYFAT: ~13%
    HEIGHT: 5'10

    I have been training for close to 4 years now, I was in the best shape of my life and ready to cycle a couple of months ago but had an operation and had to take some time off, so the next 2 weeks (before the test kicks in) I will be bringing myself back up to scratch and then hope to go above and beyond with this cycle. I have been researching for quite a while and am really aiming to get the most out of this cycle.

    Cycle is simple, test only for 10 weeks.
    WEEKS 1 - 10: Test Cyp 400mg/wk, 2 x 1ml shots Sunday night/Thursday morning
    WEEKS 3-12: HCG 250ui x2 per week

    -Arimidex on hand, will use at 0.25mg EOD if high est sides develop.
    -Considering adding Winny for last 3-4 weeks of cycle to consolidate gains and firm up muscle before coming off.

    PCT
    Starting 14 days after last shot of Test Cyp.
    Clomid: 25mg/ED for 4 weeks
    Torem: 60mg/ED for 4 weeks
    DAA: ~3g per day for 1 month
    Vitamin C
    Will start using creatine, and pre-workout sups to offset any loss of intensity.

    I plan on following this basic routine for the duration of the cycle:
    Day 1 - Chest and Biceps
    Day 2 - Legs
    Day 3 - Rest
    Day 4 - Shoulders and Triceps
    Day 5 - Back and Abs
    Day 6 - Rest
    Day 7 - Rest

    I will also be running 2-3 times per week, 30 mins intense cardio.

    DIET: Currently getting around 3500 cals a day but will adjust upwards when necessary. Typical day is as follows:

    7am Steak (approx 175g) all fat trimmed need some carbs in the morning, have ur 90g oats here aswell and ditch the whey.
    8am Shake (40g whey protein + 300ml low fat milk + 90g oats) like i said above, ditch the shake and just have oats with ur steak.
    10am Small chicken breast (roasted) with veggies need some carbs man! brown rice/sweet potatoe etc.
    12pm ‘Healthy burger’ or ‘Chicken Kebab’ (97% fat free) be more specific as to what u put into this
    4.30pm 200g lean mince beef and sweet potato
    5.30pm – 6.30pm work out
    6.30pm Shake (40g whey protein + 300ml low fat milk + 90g oats) + 10g Glutamine
    8.30pm ~200g atlantic salmon fillet and cous cous.
    10pm Steak

    I will also supplement with Jack3d before workout for first 2 weeks, BCAAs during workouts, multi vitamin once per day, and fish oil.

    First shot 22nd May, 1ml/200mg straight into the quad. It was far easier than I thought and went down without a problem at all. I have to say that after waiting soooooo long to finally do this cycle I am very excited for the next 10 weeks!!

    Ok I think that is everything, will post some before pics.

    Any productive comments are welcomed, including any negative feedback.
    i think u shuld make a thread in the diet forum of ur diet. u need 2 work out a full breakdown of ur macros to make the most of ur cycle, 75% of u gaining muscle will be down to ur diet and not to gear. diet is pretty descent. wuld need full macros 4 any1 2 critique properly though.

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    Thanks for the input so far guys.

    To answer your question I was at one point 82kg but that was after a big bulking routine (Max-OT) and a CRAZY diet (my pre bedtime meal was 60g protein, 90g oats, 60g maltodextrin, 2 tablespoons of peanut butter, ice cream and full cream milk)... so my bf might have been around 14-15% then I cut weight and cut down to maybe 11-12%bf... but was only around 80kg. So that was essentially my peak. Yes I know it doesn't sound like much of a peak but I was/am, an extreme ectomorph, I started at 60kg and have spent a few years building up my base strength and training and dieting. I feel confident I can get back to around 80kg within the next few weeks and then the test should kick in and hopefully sling shot me up a bit higher.

    You'll notice that my cycle is fairly modest, being only 400mg for 10 weeks, not exactly crazy amounts of gear. I am using the gear to enhance the results I would achieve naturally, not as a crutch to hold up an otherwise poor program.

    I guess my goals are ultimately to be around 85-87kg, but then I just want to be lean. I figure that if I want to be 87kg with say 8% bf... then I need to be around 90kg at 13% before I cut (check my maths). I honestly don't believe I could achieve that naturally, but who knows. I don't really know what to expect with this cycle but what I would really like is to make as much LEAN muscle gains as possible. My plans long term are to run this cycle and make solid gains, keep as much as possible and then maybe next year run test/tren cycle to lean up...

    Ok on to my diet, I will just say quickly to Gucks... I have the steak as soon as I wake up, literally 5 mins to cook and then I eat it, then I have a shower and get ready for work and drink the shake on my way to work. It is the easiest way for me to get early morning carbs and it is more or less straight away... that should be almost perfect right? I get a load of protein and carbs straight up. Then for my next meal I have chicken breast with veggies, this is the most sedentary part of my day (desk job) so I avoid any more carbs. Then at lunch this is my meal with most room for improvement, we all go out for lunch but I always choose something relatively healthy, subway, chicken kebab (low fat, salad, wheat tortilla). In the afternoon before my workout I eat lean mince and sweet potato so this is protein and carbs to fuel my work out. BCAAs through my workout, then a whey protein shake with oats for PWO carbs. Then I eat salmon which has obviously got good fats and protein with cous cous for carbs. Then steak right before bed to give me slow digesting protein through the night.

    Here are my macros:

    Macros in P/C/F

    7:30am
    Steak 180g 48/0/16 350 cals
    Shake 65/75/11 627cals
    Total 111/75/27 976 cals (approx 45 mins apart)


    10.30am
    Veggies 4/14/0 70cals
    Chicken Breast 50/0/8 264cals
    Total 54/14/8 334 cals

    12.30pm
    Healthy Burger 37/50/17 495cals
    Total 37/50/17 495cals

    3.30pm
    Mince meat 43/0/10 258 cals
    Sweet Potato 1/13/0 57 cals
    Mashed Potato 1/15/0 65cals
    Total 45/28/10 380cals

    5.30pm
    Workout

    6.30pm
    Shake 65/75/11 627cals
    Total 65/75/11 627cals

    8.30pm
    Salmon 44/0/24 412cals
    Cous Cous 4/20/2 110cals
    Total 48/20/26 522cals

    10.00pm
    Bed

    Totals for the day:
    360/262/99 3333cals


    Daily %
    50/36/14


    These are the appox values I worked out, if I have anything wrong please correct me.
    Last edited by smashingbox; 05-26-2011 at 04:16 AM. Reason: Updated diet with more accurate info

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashingbox View Post
    Thanks for the input so far guys.

    To answer your question I was at one point 82kg but that was after a big bulking routine (Max-OT) and a CRAZY diet (my pre bedtime meal was 60g protein, 90g oats, 60g maltodextrin, 2 tablespoons of peanut butter, ice cream and full cream milk)... so my bf might have been around 14-15% then I cut weight and cut down to maybe 11-12%bf... but was only around 80kg. So that was essentially my peak. Yes I know it doesn't sound like much of a peak but I was/am, an extreme ectomorph, I started at 60kg and have spent a few years building up my base strength and training and dieting. I feel confident I can get back to around 80kg within the next few weeks and then the test should kick in and hopefully sling shot me up a bit higher.

    You'll notice that my cycle is fairly modest, being only 400mg for 10 weeks, not exactly crazy amounts of gear. I am using the gear to enhance the results I would achieve naturally, not as a crutch to hold up an otherwise poor program.

    I guess my goals are ultimately to be around 85-87kg, but then I just want to be lean. I figure that if I want to be 87kg with say 8% bf... then I need to be around 90kg at 13% before I cut (check my maths). I honestly don't believe I could achieve that naturally, but who knows. I don't really know what to expect with this cycle but what I would really like is to make as much LEAN muscle gains as possible. My plans long term are to run this cycle and make solid gains, keep as much as possible and then maybe next year run test/tren cycle to lean up...

    Ok on to my diet, I will just say quickly to Gucks... I have the steak as soon as I wake up, literally 5 mins to cook and then I eat it, then I have a shower and get ready for work and drink the shake on my way to work. It is the easiest way for me to get early morning carbs and it is more or less straight away... that should be almost perfect right? I get a load of protein and carbs straight up. Then for my next meal I have chicken breast with veggies, this is the most sedentary part of my day (desk job) so I avoid any more carbs. Then at lunch this is my meal with most room for improvement, we all go out for lunch but I always choose something relatively healthy, subway, chicken kebab (low fat, salad, wheat tortilla). In the afternoon before my workout I eat lean mince and sweet potato so this is protein and carbs to fuel my work out. BCAAs through my workout, then a whey protein shake with oats for PWO carbs. Then I eat salmon which has obviously got good fats and protein with cous cous for carbs. Then steak right before bed to give me slow digesting protein through the night.

    Here are my macros:

    Macros in P/C/F

    7:30am
    Steak 180g 48/0/20 383 cals
    Shake 65/75/11 627cals
    Total 113/75/31 1010 cals (approx 45 mins apart) 113g of protein..? that is insane man. completely unneccesary! quite alot of fat in that steak aswell. would u consider grilling it and leaning it up at much as possible? ditch the whey from ur shake at least.


    10.30am
    Veggies 4/14/0 70cals
    Chicken Breast 50/0/8 264cals
    Total 54/14/8 334 cals i know u said u have a desk job, that doesnt mean u shouldn't eat complex carbs. low GI carbs will be digested in about 3-4 hours so theres no issue eating them at work.

    12.30pm
    Healthy Burger 37/50/17 495cals
    Total 37/50/17 495cals understandable if u go out 4 lunch once in a while, not every day though. i always go 4 lunch with my m8s and the same time and i just have my own lunches pre-cooked from the night b4. maybe once a month ill get subway/bagel factory.

    3.30pm
    Mince meat 64/0/15 387 cals
    Sweet Potato 1/13/0 57 cals
    Mashed Potato 1/15/0 65cals
    Total 66/28/15 509cals

    5.30pm
    Workout

    6.30pm
    Shake 65/75/11 627cals
    Total 65/75/11 627cals

    8.30pm
    Salmon 44/0/24 412cals
    Cous Cous 4/20/2 110cals
    Total 48/20/26 522cals ditch this meal altogether imo. ur last 3 meals r really close together. have ur steak with some EFA's either from nuts/tablets/oils.

    9.30pm
    Steak 180g 48/0/20 383cals
    Total 48/0/20 383cals some efa's from above. again lean tht steak out. the fat in beef is mostly saturated.

    10.00pm
    Bed

    Totals for the day:
    431/262/128 3880cals
    WAY to much protein man. ur only 165 ibs! i would say 300g protein max. more carbs needed! go 1:1 ratio carbs to fats since ur trying 2 stay relatively lean during cycle for cuting afterwards. fats r rediculous!!! 75g max. u could halve those fats...the calories are quite high for a guy ur size but i dont know wht ur TDEE is. work it out and add 500-700 cals to it for a cycle.

    Daily %
    52/33/15


    These are the appox values I worked out, if I have anything wrong please correct me.
    firstly, i wish i could afford 2 eat steak twice a day :P u could replace ur night time steak with casein/cottage cheese for a much leaner choice (and cheaper). those fats r just insane man...seriously need 2 be addressed! protein should come down and carbs should go up to meet in the middle.

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    Bro no offense, but you are 19? 6 foot something and only ~170lbs? Not really comfortable taking your advice ey. Your advice so far has been:

    a) too much protein - your body will not store protein as anything other than muscle... the rest will be burned via a process called gluconeogensis or excreted - so it is safe to say that there is no REAL issue with consuming this amount of protein other than it is surplus to requirements.

    b) too much fat? A large portion of my fat comes from salmon and/or avocado (on healthy burger - which is breast fillet chicken, avo and wholemeal roll with salad) which is full of omega 3s and other 'healthy fats' which are extremely important. I agree the steaks seem a little fatty so I have done some research and I cant see them having more than about 16.2g of fat, of which only about a third is saturated.

    c) low GI/complex carbs at 10am - if low GI complex carbs are digested across 3-4 hours then my morning meal should cover me well until lunch right? So no need to go adding any at 10am when I am sedentary?

    d) swap out the salmon for steak and pills? Did you really think about this? I eat steak twice a day, and salmon is practically a super food... where you thinking when you wrote this?

    I will post up amended figures and also drop 9.30pm steak as it is probably overkill. When giving advice keep in mind I am a hard gainer, who is on cycle and thus will have to keep calories quite high, good fats are an excellent source of calories.

    I appreciate your input but it just doesn't add up for me I am afraid, if someone else (i.e. a vet or diet guru) can back up your advice then I will happily eat humble pie, it can replace the steak at 9.30pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashingbox View Post
    Bro no offense, but you are 19? 6 foot something and only ~170lbs? Not really comfortable taking your advice ey. Your advice so far has been:

    a) too much protein - your body will not store protein as anything other than muscle... the rest will be burned via a process called gluconeogensis or excreted - so it is safe to say that there is no REAL issue with consuming this amount of protein other than it is surplus to requirements.
    that is such a bullshit myth. protein cant be stored as anything other then muscle? unused protein gets converted to glucose just like carbs. wuld u like to guess what unused glucose it stored as? fat!

    b) too much fat? A large portion of my fat comes from salmon and/or avocado (on healthy burger - which is breast fillet chicken, avo and wholemeal roll with salad) which is full of omega 3s and other 'healthy fats' which are extremely important. I agree the steaks seem a little fatty so I have done some research and I cant see them having more than about 16.2g of fat, of which only about a third is saturated. it doesnt matter whether their healthy fats or not, too much fat is too much fat. EFA's have the same amount of calories as saturated fat.

    c) low GI/complex carbs at 10am - if low GI complex carbs are digested across 3-4 hours then my morning meal should cover me well until lunch right? So no need to go adding any at 10am when I am sedentary? carbs aren't absorbed linearly. they get absorbed more so when first ingested and then tapper off for 3-4 hours depending on the source of carbs and what they were eatin with. a meal every 3 hours is most peoples target.

    d) swap out the salmon for steak and pills? Did you really think about this? I eat steak twice a day, and salmon is practically a super food... where you thinking when you wrote this? no, salmon is a good source of EFA's and protein, but it is absorbed quickly. beef is one of the slowest absorbing proteins which is why it is best for night time meals. salmon is absorbed at about 6g/hour if i remember right. beef is closer to 3/4g per hour. beef/casein.cottage cheese are best before bed for that reason of slow abosrbtion

    I will post up amended figures and also drop 9.30pm steak as it is probably overkill. When giving advice keep in mind I am a hard gainer, who is on cycle and thus will have to keep calories quite high, good fats are an excellent source of calories.

    I appreciate your input but it just doesn't add up for me I am afraid, if someone else (i.e. a vet or diet guru) can back up your advice then I will happily eat humble pie, it can replace the steak at 9.30pm.
    im 186ibs mate at about 11-12% bf. last june i was 135ibs and anorexic. 51ibs in 50 weeks doesnt sound to bad to me, does it to you?

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    http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition...urn-to-fat.htm

    theres a basic explenation of how protein ends up being stored as fat.

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    Look bro, not interested in arguing with you, gluconeogensis is a very unfavourable pathway for energy and very inefficient... not really worried about getting fat from protein consumption... especially not when you are suggesting carbs instead. Provided my calories are in check overall and provided I am not consuming low GI shitty carbs or non-lean meats, I am not concerned. Thanks again for your input but I will be waiting for more experienced members to contribute.

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    Good to see ya on mate

    You should reach those goal weights comfortably

    Good dose good overall cycle...

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    Quick update:
    So did my 5th jab on Sunday, just entering into my 3rd week. I have put on a few kg, up to 78kg, so 3kg in 2 weeks... this isn't from the gear though I don't think because I am not really feeling anything yet, and it is too early for the gear to be working. I have been going harder in the gym but I think this is just psychological. Pretty impressed so far, I have been making good gains naturally and have got back to where I wanted to be just in time for the juice to kick in.


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    8th June - 79kg, up 4kg from start in just under 3 weeks, pretty happy with this, strength is up and having some good gym sessions but still nothing exceptional. Did shoulders and triceps today. Really hoping that the gear kicks in soon and I can feel a big difference... really looking forward to what the next 8 weeks brings!

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    steak for breakfast?

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    14 June (mid point of week 4) - weight stayed the same at 79kg although this could be due to terrible choices on the weekend, went out drinking Friday night and didnt eat much the following day. Terrible effort, wont be doing that again. Noticed some slight improvements in workouts, lifts are up but nothing crazy yet. Overall I haven't noticed any increased aggression, sweating, improved mood, increased libido or significant strength gains. I am really looking forward to it so hope to see some signs of improvement by the end of this week.

    Took my first HCG shot today, 250ui, started HCG 1 week later so can increase usage during 1 week before PCT. I had experienced some atrophy, testes are about half normal size, so I am interested to see what effect 250ui of HCG twice per week might have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashingbox View Post
    14 June (mid point of week 4) - weight stayed the same at 79kg although this could be due to terrible choices on the weekend, went out drinking Friday night and didnt eat much the following day. Terrible effort, wont be doing that again. Noticed some slight improvements in workouts, lifts are up but nothing crazy yet. Overall I haven't noticed any increased aggression, sweating, improved mood, increased libido or significant strength gains. I am really looking forward to it so hope to see some signs of improvement by the end of this week.

    Took my first HCG shot today, 250ui, started HCG 1 week later so can increase usage during 1 week before PCT. I had experienced some atrophy, testes are about half normal size, so I am interested to see what effect 250ui of HCG twice per week might have.
    More evidence you are not ready to cycle. BigD's left leg is as big as you. Do you even know what damage alcohol can cause when your on steroids ? Good thing you weren't on Tren because you could've killed yourself. No reason to bash Gucks he was giving you great advice. Just because your old enough doesn't mean your ready for steroid use. Your diet has A LOT of room for improvement and you are extremely light. I guarantee you will lose all your weight halfway through or at the end of your PCT because honestly you have no clue what your doing.

    Let me guess you want to look like Josef Rackich or those other aesthetic Bodybuilders from Australian right ?

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    Ouch, that had to hurt.

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    Thanks for your input bro, not really sure about your whole 'on Tren you could have killed yourself'... there are plenty of blokes on tren here mate and loads of them go out every weekend, give me some stats on tren users dying from drinking whenever you have them handy.

    I have improved my diet. I improved it based on Gucks and Gbrice's advice. But if you say my diet has lots of room for improvement, then be specific, what would you change? What are your recommendations? Don't just get on here and bag me if you aren't going to offer anything constructive.

    No idea who Josef Rackich is but I'll assume this comment was just you trying to make yourself feel better about not looking like him.

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    Hahahahahahaha @ Windex... bro your avatar is a pic of Josef Rakich, wtf??

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/josef-...interview.html

    I googled him, and yeah about that size/bf would be ideal, but dude if you are giving out to me about 'wanting to look like him' why the **** do you have HIS picture for YOUR avatar??

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    hell i think any of us would be happy to be as lean as that dude(rakich) !!! you look like you're making good progress bro keep it up i think this was a good cycle to start on for ya not to heavy or to light. i'm not even going to talk about diet mine has always need work (just like to eat what i want). i also think you have a good mind set by "enhancing results" you realize that gear is no miracle pill and you just have to keep working on it or off. good luck with the rest of the cycle

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    Your arms are looking little bigger mate..

    Keep training and gaining...

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    josef rakich is a kiwi btw :P one thing they hate is being called australian...

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    They like it about as much as the Irish like being called poms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashingbox View Post
    They like it about as much as the Irish like being called poms.
    ive been irish for 19 years and never even heard pom b4 :P wtf is a pom man..?

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    A pom is what Aussies and presumably others call people from England.

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    Prisoner of the Motherland.... British convicts sent out to Australia in late 1700's I believe. It's still used all the time over here even today!

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    good look with your cycle.keep us updated!

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    good luck,
    any chance you can post some before and now pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gucks View Post
    josef rakich is a kiwi btw :P one thing they hate is being called australian...
    Lol, I think I would rather be called an ''Australian" than a fruit.

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    21st June (mid way through 5th week): well I have plateaued out at 80kg, dont seem to be going any higher. Still not feeling anything, no insane pumps or workouts (workouts have been intense and have been pushing myself... but nothing outrageous), no increase in libido, no overall feeling of wellbeing, no increased aggression, no rapid increase in strength, no nothing... the only thing I have noticed is that my balls have shrunk a bit. So still I wait. I know my gear is legit, 100%, so just wondering what is going on... the only thing I could think of is my last two shots were in the glutes and only used 1 1/4 inch pins... so maybe didnt make it to the muscle?? I doubt this is the case because I have very little fat and it felt like an intramuscular injection.

    Anyway, it is the 5th week... so hopefully at the latest I should be feeling something by next week?

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    22g 1 1/4 inch is what Im using for my glutes. Im in week 7 running 500mgs test e, and kick start with 40mgs dbol the first four weeks. Haven't lost any weight or strength since I dropped the dbol. I've gained 5lbs since then, and my strength is still climbing.

    I think your being paranoid about the pin shot not reaching the muscle.

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    Btw, if your libido has not increased by now your gear might be fake. Since week 3 I've been tearing my wife up...sometimes 3 times a day. She actually doesn't want sex anymore LOL.

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