i need some help with first cyle/stack

[3derek]

ok.most of u guys are going to say im to young to be doing this, but ive made up my mind and already bought the d bol oral liguid. but i have some questions . ive been doing over 3 months of reasearch and hered alot of differnt things. ive hered the best stack is dbol, decca, TEST, then PCT. my questions are:
what is the best PCT
what is the best TEST
what else could u reccomend, i need all the help i can get?

age:18
weight: 145
body fat: 10%
lifting- 8 months 5x a week
experince: 1st time

[Pac Man]

Yea you're too young and you're probably underweight as well.
If you're going to do it anyways than stick with low dose test and maybe dbol for a kicker.
Don't use decca in your first cycle.
Test is test is test, doesn't matter.

[SlimmerMe]

WELCOME!

The Young and Steroids by Marcus300


Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[3derek]

what do u guys think aboout this
1-4 d-bol 40 mg e/d
1-10 TEST CYP 400mg e/w
1-12 Nolvadex 10mg e/d
1-12 l-dex .25 mg e/d

[Pac Man]

drop the nolva and save it for pct, start the ldex around week 4 or when you start to see estrogen related sides like bloat or gyno.

[3derek]

so its gonna look like this
1-4 dbol
1-12 test cyp
4-12 ldex
then how long before i start my pct and wich pct do u prefer?

[Pac Man]

Read swifto pct

[Das Boot]

i always read to only start with one thing is it bad to start with that much stuff ?

[3derek]

could i just take my milk thistle and d-boll and be fine? or would i lose all my gains or could it be harmful?

[gixxerboy1]

could i just take my milk thistle and d-boll and be fine? or would i lose all my gains or could it be harmful?

honestly seeing that you are 145lbs now. I think what ever you take your going to loose after. At 18 i guarantee your not eating correctly

[gixxerboy1]

Why dont you read this. Since every young kid say that nothing will happen and blah blah blah
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ed-advice-asap

[WildThing19]

At yout age and weight you could gain just as much from gnc products as a cycle. Especially with only 8 months of lifting. I am 6'4 with a very thin body structure. I lifted for about 5 years and was stuck at 190lbs for about 2 and that when i decided to start. I am now about 230 off cycle with less bf then when i was 190. I know how much you want to look big and cut for the girls or guys lol, but I would recomment wating another year or two. But if you are gonna go through with it then listen to pac man