Trail blazer, you seem like a smart guy. These guys really know their stuff go slow and take their advise. My advise would be start off slow and dont add to many new chemicals at once. Add like one a cycle that way you have a reference point. For example if you have a new side effect any only added 1 new thing, if you didnt have side effects before than u know what gave the new side effect. If you add four new chemicals, u will never know what chemical did what. Good or bad. You might get huge gains from only one new additive. You wouldnt know which one gave the big gains and you would have to take all four new drugs forever, when only one is good or bad. Hope that was clear. Im not tryin to discourage you. Ive already scored my gear and these muscle heads, I mean that affectionately, have talked me into waiting. And its killimg me but they are right, its better to wait. Im like a girl, I want my first time to be special..lol jk girls!!! Good luck bro and dont be scared to ask questions.