PCT Question regarding when you know your system is going back online

[dmk327]

I feel that nolva is just about the same as clomid as far as pharmacological action. Another reason for refusing to administer and prescribe myself clomid is the "vision problems" that are rare but serious and permanent. I started at 190lbs and ended cycle at about 230. I feel the rapid loss period was water which I would not discount due to not using any ancillaries such as arimidex on cycle. Also worth noting was the addition of Furosemide at the conclusion of my last prop pin for a few days due to some other reasons that I wish to take a 5th on. As of now I have upped my calories as recommended to maintain gains. Also it would happen that had a scheduled 2 week break off weight training( I take breaks every 10-12 weeks to allow for joints,ligs, tendons and to prevent muscle adaptation to weight training). So I am mainly waiting it out and getting more serious about cardiovascular training to keep my metabolism up and heart healthy.

I am not here to start a nolva vs clomid war as I believe each has its own place and it varies from one person to another. I will go on the record to say though that there is alot of conflicting information on the net comparing the two. I have read clomid is better for stimulating natural test production and vice versa. From my standpoint I understand neither directly exert their actions to specifically perform this. I understand it to have something to do with negative feedback and stimulation of the hypothalamus to release LH which in turn would signal the testes to produce testosterone. Also I believe this will help to lessen some of the side effects of having no test and elevated estrogen such as gyno, depression, acne, fat deposition, loss of muscle mass, lethargy, etc.

Anyone with more insight on this? I know some of you think I am an idiot bc of past cycle experience and what not but I research this stuff and love it as much as you guys do. I am not your average person who thought on day, "I could gain more muscle in 3 months with steroids than I would in 3 years naturally".... And I know it definitely does not work like....

Thanks

[dec11]

I feel that nolva is just about the same as clomid as far as pharmacological action. Another reason for refusing to administer and prescribe myself clomid is the "vision problems" that are rare but serious and permanent. I started at 190lbs and ended cycle at about 230. I feel the rapid loss period was water which I would not discount due to not using any ancillaries such as arimidex on cycle. Also worth noting was the addition of Furosemide at the conclusion of my last prop pin for a few days due to some other reasons that I wish to take a 5th on. As of now I have upped my calories as recommended to maintain gains. Also it would happen that had a scheduled 2 week break off weight training( I take breaks every 10-12 weeks to allow for joints,ligs, tendons and to prevent muscle adaptation to weight training). So I am mainly waiting it out and getting more serious about cardiovascular training to keep my metabolism up and heart healthy.

I am not here to start a nolva vs clomid war as I believe each has its own place and it varies from one person to another. I will go on the record to say though that there is alot of conflicting information on the net comparing the two. I have read clomid is better for stimulating natural test production and vice versa. From my standpoint I understand neither directly exert their actions to specifically perform this. I understand it to have something to do with negative feedback and stimulation of the hypothalamus to release LH which in turn would signal the testes to produce testosterone. Also I believe this will help to lessen some of the side effects of having no test and elevated estrogen such as gyno, depression, acne, fat deposition, loss of muscle mass, lethargy, etc.

Anyone with more insight on this? I know some of you think I am an idiot bc of past cycle experience and what not but I research this stuff and love it as much as you guys do. I am not your average person who thought on day, "I could gain more muscle in 3 months with steroids than I would in 3 years naturally".... And I know it definitely does not work like....

Thanks

at least 25lbs of that is water and thats if you arent grossly exaggerating in the 1st place

[Bonaparte]

at least 25lbs of that is water and thats if you arent grossly exaggerating in the 1st place

I can't imagine a 40lb weight increase in a few months. He must have looked like a water balloon!

[dec11]

I can't imagine a 40lb weight increase in a few months. He must have looked like a water balloon!

yeah def sounds fishy to me. never even heard of anyone experienced gaining that much that quick

[mani_bono]

I can't imagine a 40lb weight increase in a few months. He must have looked like a water balloon!

Sounds like Kevin Levrone getting rerady for a show! lol
It can be done IMO (as Kevin used to do it) if you gaining back muscles that you had before (muscle memory)

[dmk327]

not to mention being of the Aryan race

[ridedivefx]

Losing 10lbs in 1st week is not normal after a simple 12 week cycle specially if you just use prop which has low water retention. TestE would have made sense because the weight loss could be attributed to bloat.

How is your strength? is it still up. I am on 3 week of PCT (nolva/clomid) after a 20 weeker. I still have to lose strength, my bench and squats are still the same even though I have lost water weight. The aim in PCT and after should be to maintain what you have gained on cycle and strength is a pretty good indicator.

I would suggest to look into your diet, more protein, increase the intensity of workouts to push harder and at least from my experience always use nolva and clomid for pct. Did you use hcg?

[Bonaparte]

not to mention being of the Aryan race

Wait, what?
Did you seriously just go there?

[dmk327]

So Lemonade, you are basically saying Clomid is superior overall for pct and what we are all seeking to obtain by use of these drugs?

[Lemonada8]

I feel that nolva is just about the same as clomid as far as pharmacological action. Another reason for refusing to administer and prescribe myself clomid is the "vision problems" that are rare but serious and permanent. I started at 190lbs and ended cycle at about 230. I feel the rapid loss period was water which I would not discount due to not using any ancillaries such as arimidex on cycle. Also worth noting was the addition of Furosemide at the conclusion of my last prop pin for a few days due to some other reasons that I wish to take a 5th on. As of now I have upped my calories as recommended to maintain gains. Also it would happen that had a scheduled 2 week break off weight training( I take breaks every 10-12 weeks to allow for joints,ligs, tendons and to prevent muscle adaptation to weight training). So I am mainly waiting it out and getting more serious about cardiovascular training to keep my metabolism up and heart healthy.

I am not here to start a nolva vs clomid war as I believe each has its own place and it varies from one person to another. I will go on the record to say though that there is alot of conflicting information on the net comparing the two. I have read clomid is better for stimulating natural test production and vice versa. From my standpoint I understand neither directly exert their actions to specifically perform this. I understand it to have something to do with negative feedback and stimulation of the hypothalamus to release LH which in turn would signal the testes to produce testosterone. Also I believe this will help to lessen some of the side effects of having no test and elevated estrogen such as gyno, depression, acne, fat deposition, loss of muscle mass, lethargy, etc.

Anyone with more insight on this? I know some of you think I am an idiot bc of past cycle experience and what not but I research this stuff and love it as much as you guys do. I am not your average person who thought on day, "I could gain more muscle in 3 months with steroids than I would in 3 years naturally".... And I know it definitely does not work like....

Thanks

Clomid is a agonist/antagonist at the receptor (antagonist @ the pit = more LH output)
Nolva is a agonist at the receptor (agonist @ the pit = not much difference from normal)
they are 2 complete different drugs. Estrogen inhibits LH release because of the negative feedback. so by inhibiting estro from binding and inhibiting LH release, it raises test levels. Clomid can cause estro rebound depending on dose and the person

also HCG is *IMO* a necessity for any cycle to maintain testes size.