thanks im not really sold on the tren, i have alot of buddies that use the test e/ winny and have good results. and when the job gets going i will have plenty of money and am definetly interested in the HGH, im gonna be back on the job for awhile and trust me my line of work pays hansomely at times. I guess at 33 im lots more open to chemical augmentation then i was in my younger meaner days lol. So if i Run just the Test e/winny will i need an AI or just a pct? im gonna get a few more solid weeks in at the gym before i consider it, im doing 3 miles a day now and twice a week i run with 30lb vest on to get prepared, hopefully within a month i should be running with 40lb vest everyday...then comes out the gasmask (nothing worse than running in a gasmask by the way) so the more i research the more i think just the test/winny would suit me better.