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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi,my name is walter.i hope you can you give a little advice.i have mutiple sclerosis.is there any steroids that can help me gain strength,loose weight and feel 18 again.i have never taken any meds for this dease,but i am pretty desperate.any advice you could give would be appreciated.thanks walt

testosterone enanthate and even tren enathate has helped many people with muscular problems.. But you must lift and eat correctly to obtain benefits. I would start at 500 mgs weekly..

[Ronnie Rowland]

alright!! I was hoping you'd recommend a brand of strap. I don't do winny and i've never needed anti-es even at 1750 mg test. I'm starting a 12 week cut on monday. 700 mg test prop/700 mg tren e/ 500 mg masteron p/100 mg var ed. Could i drop the proviron due to the inclusion of the masteron?

keep the proviron in.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie a quick question, do you think that running t3 with bulking cycles is wise?
Not for trying to stay lean but for increased protein synthesis and protein turn over rate?
Just reading up on it thinking that high aas doses with high protein intake might be well served with extra t3 making for a better metabolism.
But i dont know if this theory would be effective in the real world and if it would make a high protein diet with high aas that much more effective.
What do you think?
Thanks ronnie
and sorry for all the questions!

i'm not sure anyone really knows the exact answer to these t-3 bulking theories. On paper the idea of running 12.5mcgs daily sounds promising because it only adds to your natural endogeneous t-3 output because supposedly that low of an amount won't shut down your own t-3 levels. I have known people who took 33.3-50mcgs daily while bulking and said thay liked it. The best thing to do it give it a try and see for yourself. Again, i know t-3 increases protein synthesis but i have not seen any real life evidence to support t-3 in bulking cycles. That said, we are still learning about this ordeal so my suggestion is give it a try and let us know what you think.

[darkcrayz]

hey ronnie.

ive been sling shotting the last 9 months. love it.

right now im running a cut.
450mg test e/week. (3 shots a week.)
300mg tren a/week. (daily shots.)

im about to start my 9th week; i was initially going to run a 12 week load and then back off but i am liking what i have going on and read you recommend to run cuts until done.

i was thinking id run 12 weeks this set up and then another 12 weeks @
300mg test e/week
450mg tren a/week.

what are your thoughts on this. I dont really want to jump the total mg/week up yet but i want to keep the fat loss going. My question then is do I need to up the tren or can i just stay at my current set up until i reach my goal?

once i am done with the cut i am looking to bulk in the winter. i was thinking about
300mg test e/week
300mg tren a/week
300mg mast a/week.

does that sound like a good bulk with mod/high carbs? Once lean I want to put more weight on but maintain a leaner bf% then I am now. Maybe t3? Or another bulking compound you recommend in replacement of something?

Thanks for your help.

[darkcrayz]

well that was some bullshit spam.

[wellyou7]

ronnie i have a question: This is the cycle im currently on. Im on the 8th week (stopping tren on thursday)

Wk 1 -8 Tren A 350mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Test Prop 350mg/wk
Wk 3-9 Winny 50mg ED

Next cycle i plan on doubling these dosages (and adding in dbol), so it would be
Wk 1-4 Dbol 40mg ED
Wk 1-8 Tren A 700mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Prop 700mg/wk
Winny 100mg ED

My question is, if i did the slingshot method, would it better for me to come off (do a 2 week PCT of nolva, not a fan of running dose test instead) and then jump back on? Would i have better gains this way? or could i just stay on and up the dosage from what my cycle is at now? what do you think?

[Zoonk]

Awesome Post Ronnie! Thanks Very informative

[ricky23]

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no doubt kathy will do better next time! my dog died recently too and its like losing a member of the family, can imagine how much of a headfck it must have been competing at the same time.
keep us updated about the show in 3 weeks
bst of luck and thanks for all the help you're giving everyone!

[ricky23]

ronnie ive always wondered whether fat burners should be introduced after a couple of weeks into a cycle when the diet begins instead of using them straight off?
i start the cutting diet after a week or so into the cycle for the aas to take effect to prevent possible muscle loss or is this type of thinking wrong?
if deloading would it matter as there would still be low dose test in the system?
thanks mate

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie.

ive been sling shotting the last 9 months. love it.

right now im running a cut.
450mg test e/week. (3 shots a week.)
300mg tren a/week. (daily shots.)

im about to start my 9th week; i was initially going to run a 12 week load and then back off but i am liking what i have going on and read you recommend to run cuts until done.

i was thinking id run 12 weeks this set up and then another 12 weeks @
300mg test e/week
450mg tren a/week.

what are your thoughts on this. I dont really want to jump the total mg/week up yet but i want to keep the fat loss going. My question then is do I need to up the tren or can i just stay at my current set up until i reach my goal? i would stay where you are at and maybe consider running 50 mgs of oral winstrol at some point to really harden up to the max.

once i am done with the cut i am looking to bulk in the winter. i was thinking about
300mg test e/week
300mg tren a/week
300mg mast a/week.

does that sound like a good bulk with mod/high carbs? test/tren/d-bol or anadrol would be more potent. Some gh at 4-8 ius daily would really help you gain lean weight.Once lean I want to put more weight on but maintain a leaner bf% then I am now. Maybe t3? Or another bulking compound you recommend in replacement of something? growth hormone hands down!

Thanks for your help.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie i have a question: This is the cycle im currently on. Im on the 8th week (stopping tren on thursday)

Wk 1 -8 Tren A 350mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Test Prop 350mg/wk
Wk 3-9 Winny 50mg ED

Next cycle i plan on doubling these dosages (and adding in dbol), so it would be
Wk 1-4 Dbol 40mg ED
Wk 1-8 Tren A 700mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Prop 700mg/wk
Winny 100mg ED

My question is, if i did the slingshot method, would it better for me to come off (do a 2 week PCT of nolva, not a fan of running dose test instead) and then jump back on? Would i have better gains this way? or could i just stay on and up the dosage from what my cycle is at now? what do you think? You would need to pct with hcg and nolva for two weeks then get back on for another 8 week reload since you do not like to taper down during deloads. Both approaches work. i would not run two orals together unless you were preparing for a show.

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[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
I was thinking of upping my dosages to:..... Test enth 300mg per day and Tren enth 200mg per day. What do you think?

[wellyou7]

ronnie i have a question: This is the cycle im currently on. Im on the 8th week (stopping tren on thursday)

Wk 1 -8 Tren A 350mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Test Prop 350mg/wk
Wk 3-9 Winny 50mg ED

Next cycle i plan on doubling these dosages (and adding in dbol ), so it would be
Wk 1-4 Dbol 40mg ED
Wk 1-8 Tren A 700mg/wk
Wk 1-9 Prop 700mg/wk
Winny 100mg ED

My question is, if i did the slingshot method, would it better for me to come off (do a 2 week PCT of nolva , not a fan of running dose test instead) and then jump back on? Would i have better gains this way? or could i just stay on and up the dosage from what my cycle is at now? what do you think? You would need to pct with hcg and nolva for two weeks then get back on for another 8 week reload since you do not like to taper down during deloads. Both approaches work. i would not run two orals together unless you were preparing for a show.

Im trying to clarify what you said...

So you mean i can just go straight from 350mg/wk to 700mg/wk without taking a 2week break, and the gains will be the same as if i actually took a 2 week break since im upping the dose?

[Pete123]

Hi I just set this account up and im new to all this. I need some real good advice. Right, I'm 21, 5ft 10 and weigh 197.67lbs I need help with how to train, diet and what supplements would be best for me to take. Thank you for takin the time to read this. I hope u can help thank u

[Ronnie Rowland]

no doubt kathy will do better next time! my dog died recently too and its like losing a member of the family, can imagine how much of a headfck it must have been competing at the same time.
keep us updated about the show in 3 weeks
bst of luck and thanks for all the help you're giving everyone!

our dog dieing made kathy hold water during pre-judging and she never smiled once on stage. She was just not into it after our english bulldog passed. this next show will be much different!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie ive always wondered whether fat burners should be introduced after a couple of weeks into a cycle when the diet begins instead of using them straight off?
i start the cutting diet after a week or so into the cycle for the aas to take effect to prevent possible muscle loss or is this type of thinking wrong? i agree with eveything you just said..no need adding fat burners until you start plateauing. and do not start diet until anabolics kick in..
if deloading would it matter as there would still be low dose test in the system? you do not deload while cutting..
thanks mate

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,
I was thinking of upping my dosages to:..... Test enth 300mg per day and Tren enth 200mg per day. What do you think?

you can do that.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi I just set this account up and im new to all this. I need some real good advice. Right, I'm 21, 5ft 10 and weigh 197.67lbs I need help with how to train, diet and what supplements would be best for me to take. Thank you for takin the time to read this. I hope u can help thank u

you need to read through this entire thread to educate yourself, then ask questions.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Im trying to clarify what you said...

So you mean i can just go straight from 350mg/wk to 700mg/wk without taking a 2week break, and the gains will be the same as if i actually took a 2 week break since im upping the dose?

No what I was saying is deload for 2 weeks before increasing dosages. You can either bridge with 200 mgs of test per week or do pct with hcg for 2 weeks. I would opt for bridging.

[Pete123]

Ok I read the post at the start. How do I figure out wether I need higher carbs or higher fats in my diet?

[kelevra]

Hey Ronnie
I'm holding some fat in my chest and what seems to be some puffy nipples, Estrogen related I'm guessing. I have no hard lumps or sensitivity so no gyno that i know of.
Can i take some Letro or Aromasin to dry this up some?
I have both on hand.
Im on Test E only at 750mg weekly. I will be on the cutting cycle 3 more weeks and then PCT for awhile.

[mani_bono]

hey Ronnie great thread thanks a lot mate, It's really appreciated. I have few questions:

- I just started my second cycle with test prop 100mg EOD + 30mg of dbol + 50mg proviron ED, after 8 weeks since I'm using short easters shall I still go with the 2 weeks deload? (or it should be less?)
- is it a good idea to take 10mg of dbol right before sleep?
- How can I keep the bloating to minimum? Is clean diet and 1.5 hours of cardio per week enough? (since i'm bulking and i'm a hard gainer!)
- shall I continue use of proviron during deload?
- I'm having problem with acne, it's very annoying, (i had a bad breakout during my last PCT) how come all the pros and lots of competitive bbers have such a clean skin? Is there any secret here or it's just facking genetics?!
- If I go to competing level, does it mean I have to be on TRT for rest of my life?

[delta1111]

Originally Posted by delta1111

Hi Ronnie,
I was thinking of upping my dosages to:..... Test enth 300mg per day and Tren enth 200mg per day. What do you think?

you can do that.

So you don't thinks it's excessive? Is it safe?

[djdizzy]

Ron, for hitting muscle groups twice a week, on the front page it says to stay in the 8-10 rep range, but I thought reading thru everything a while back you mentioned that the 2nd day should be lighter weights and in the 12-15 rep range. I tried searching with no luck, which should I do?

Also if running Proviron @ 50mg/day, when you deload do you cut to 25mg/day or 0mg/day or just keep running the 50mg/day?

Thanks!
Dizzy

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ok I read the post at the start. How do I figure out wether I need higher carbs or higher fats in my diet?

If you tend to put on body fat easily (endomorphic) you need more fats and fewer carbs inorder to keep insulin under control .

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, for hitting muscle groups twice a week, on the front page it says to stay in the 8-10 rep range, but I thought reading thru everything a while back you mentioned that the 2nd day should be lighter weights and in the 12-15 rep range. I tried searching with no luck, which should I do? You can do it either way but I feel the muscle respond better with twice a week training by having one heavy day and one lighter day. I like moving faster between sets on lighter day and performing a couple more sets per body part to really pump the muscle!

Also if running Proviron @ 50mg/day, when you deload do you cut to 25mg/day or 0mg/day or just keep running the 50mg/day? stay with 50

Thanks!
Dizzy

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie
I'm holding some fat in my chest and what seems to be some puffy nipples, Estrogen related I'm guessing. I have no hard lumps or sensitivity so no gyno that i know of.
Can i take some Letro or Aromasin to dry this up some?No, its body fat so losing weight is required.I have both on hand.
Im on Test E only at 750mg weekly. I will be on the cutting cycle 3 more weeks and then PCT for awhile. you need to cut for longer until all your chest fat dissapears.

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[slimshady01]

Hey Ron,

I started my cut 2 weeks ago. I was on my 13 or 14th week of my 20 week bulk but decided to cut. I was on 750 test and 400 deca a week.

2 weeks ago i lowered test to 300, dropped deca, added var at 50mg a day and did first week of cut with 400mg of primo and now this past week went straight to 800 and will continue there.

So it looks like this

Test 300
Var 50
Primo 800.

My question is, I started my cut at 194 and I am basically the same weight after 2 weeks. I think I got as low as 191 after 2 days on my wifes phentermine but i didnt like the way it made me feel. Today i weighed in at 193..

On my bulk i was around 3200-3500 calories. On my first week of the cut i went to 2500 then last week 2250.
I also on this last week added 4 days of cardio at 30 min after training and still holding this weight.

I would have thought I would have dropped water and lost a quick 5 or so ASAP since im no longer on high test dose or any deca at all.

MY diet is lower carb as well.

Here is my break down,

Protein - 280
Carbs - 100
Fats - 80g.

A lot of my carbs are from veggies to, I only have 2 meals a day where i add 3/4 cup of blueberries and the rest of the carbs are from green beans and broccoli.

Should i lower to 2k a day and up cardio to 5-6 days? I train M-F and take off on saturday and sunday.

Im thinking the primo and the var are making me hold weight? Which would be fine but i dont think my BF is getting much lower.

Any suggestions? Can i go extreme low cals while running these compounds without losing muscle?

[Gi812Many]

Ronnie, im running into my 6th week of Test E, Tren E and EQ. I have been on Aromasin from Ar-r from the get go. Upped the dosage to 15mgs at the end of my second week. I formed gyno, hard lumps around the nipple...I had surgery to remove them twice roughly 8 years ago. Im prone to them. They are not nearly as big as when I had them removed but, still present and still decent size. Any suggestion on changing to something other than the Aromasin? Also, probably a stupid question but, im doing your slingshot cycling...Should I stay on a AI year around while cycling?

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
Do you have any experience with MENT and if so, do you think it would be better in a bulking or a cutting cycle?

[delta1111]

Ronnie,
What experience have you had with insulin? Is it worth the risk when considering the dangers?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey Ronnie great thread thanks a lot mate, It's really appreciated. I have few questions:

- I just started my second cycle with test prop 100mg EOD + 30mg of dbol + 50mg proviron ED, after 8 weeks since I'm using short easters shall I still go with the 2 weeks deload? yes because your nervous system needs a break from heavy volume (or it should be less?)
- is it a good idea to take 10mg of dbol right before sleep? no
- How can I keep the bloating to minimum? high protein, moderate fats and low carbs Is clean diet and 1.5 hours of cardio per week enough? (since i'm bulking and i'm a hard gainer!) you do not need a dirty diet to gain weight. just eat mroe healthy foods that are dense in calories such as smart balance peanutbutter and drink plenty of liquid egg whites. Reduce cardio to 20 minutes 3 times per week.
- shall I continue use of proviron during deload?yes
- I'm having problem with acne, it's very annoying, (i had a bad breakout during my last PCT) how come all the pros and lots of competitive bbers have such a clean skin? Is there any secret here or it's just facking genetics?! they never come off steroids and their bodies adjust-hence acne is no longer a concern for them!
- If I go to competing level, does it mean I have to be on TRT for rest of my life? no one can answer this question with accuracy but I believe it depends on how long you stay on that matters most.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,

I started my cut 2 weeks ago. I was on my 13 or 14th week of my 20 week bulk but decided to cut. I was on 750 test and 400 deca a week.

2 weeks ago i lowered test to 300, dropped deca, added var at 50mg a day and did first week of cut with 400mg of primo and now this past week went straight to 800 and will continue there.

So it looks like this

Test 300
Var 50
Primo 800.

My question is, I started my cut at 194 and I am basically the same weight after 2 weeks. I think I got as low as 191 after 2 days on my wifes phentermine but i didnt like the way it made me feel. Today i weighed in at 193..

On my bulk i was around 3200-3500 calories. On my first week of the cut i went to 2500 then last week 2250.
I also on this last week added 4 days of cardio at 30 min after training and still holding this weight.

I would have thought I would have dropped water and lost a quick 5 or so ASAP since im no longer on high test dose or any deca at all.

MY diet is lower carb as well.

Here is my break down,

Protein - 280
Carbs - 100
Fats - 80g.

A lot of my carbs are from veggies to, I only have 2 meals a day where i add 3/4 cup of blueberries and the rest of the carbs are from green beans and broccoli.

Should i lower to 2k a day and up cardio to 5-6 days? yes, you must do whatever it takes to lose 1-2 pounds per week I train M-F and take off on saturday and sunday.

Im thinking the primo and the var are making me hold weight? Which would be fine but i dont think my BF is getting much lower. i find this very odd...sure your gear is real? maybe primo sold to you was actually test!? maybe your thyroid levels are low?
Any suggestions? Can i go extreme low cals while running these compounds without losing muscle? if you lose only 1-2 pounds per week you should not lose much muscle at all but losing more that 2 pounds per week can certainly create muscle loss and I am of the belief one always loses some muscle when dieting depending on thier genetics and drug regimine. large dosages of GH, then some tren, and winstrol are great for holding onto muscle. clen is also good but not without sides.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, im running into my 6th week of Test E, Tren E and EQ. I have been on Aromasin from Ar-r from the get go. Upped the dosage to 15mgs at the end of my second week. I formed gyno, hard lumps around the nipple...I had surgery to remove them twice roughly 8 years ago. Im prone to them. They are not nearly as big as when I had them removed but, still present and still decent size. Any suggestion on changing to something other than the Aromasin? try nolvadex at 40 mgs per day because you can run it year round while not messing up your cholesterol levels. Also, probably a stupid question but, im doing your slingshot cycling...Should I stay on a AI year around while cycling? looks like you will have to stay on anti-es. try nolvadex and 40 per day and try to work your way down to 20 per day

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,
What experience have you had with insulin? personally, none! Is it worth the risk when considering the dangers? not unless you already have a a carreer as a pro bodybuilder. It can cause you to become a permananet diabetic, age your internal organs and even kill you! Yes its tempting but not tempting enough to screw up your health..

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron,
do you have any experience with ment and if so, do you think it would be better in a bulking or a cutting cycle?

what is ment?

[The Titan99]

what is ment?

Trestolone Acetate. It's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. Strike that, sweet potatoes.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Trestolone Acetate. It's supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. Strike that, sweet potatoes.

Sounds potent but I have no experience with this drug..

[slimshady01]

Should i lower to 2k a day and up cardio to 5-6 days? yes, you must do whatever it takes to lose 1-2 pounds per week I train M-F and take off on saturday and sunday.

Im thinking the primo and the var are making me hold weight? Which would be fine but i dont think my BF is getting much lower. i find this very odd...sure your gear is real? maybe primo sold to you was actually test !? maybe your thyroid levels are low?
Any suggestions? Can i go extreme low cals while running these compounds without losing muscle? if you lose only 1-2 pounds per week you should not lose much muscle at all but losing more that 2 pounds per week can certainly create muscle loss and I am of the belief one always loses some muscle when dieting depending on thier genetics and drug regimine. large dosages of GH, then some tren, and winstrol are great for holding onto muscle. clen is also good but not without sides.

Thanks Ron,

There is always a chance of fake primo, i would hope not since this source has been around since 2003.

As far as my thyroid levels, I would like to get them checked. I Asked the doc about a year ago to check my t3 and t4 but if i remember correctly my TSH was fine so he wouldnt test.

As i wrote that I had only done first week of primo at 400mg and the second at 800. What would i even see in the first 2 weeks on primo? Ive never done primo but im guessing since its an enth it will take a few more weeks to really see its effects?

I was still 192 again today but as i was looking in the mirror i looked leaner, so perhaps my BF has lowered a tad and maybe gained muscle?

Ill drop the cals to 2k and go from there.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks Ron,

There is always a chance of fake primo, i would hope not since this source has been around since 2003.

As far as my thyroid levels, I would like to get them checked. I Asked the doc about a year ago to check my t3 and t4 but if i remember correctly my TSH was fine so he wouldnt test.

As i wrote that I had only done first week of primo at 400mg and the second at 800. What would i even see in the first 2 weeks on primo? Not much but if it was test you would gain water weight for sure within 2 weeks time.Ive never done primo but im guessing since its an enth it will take a few more weeks to really see its effects?

I was still 192 again today but as i was looking in the mirror i looked leaner, so perhaps my BF has lowered a tad and maybe gained muscle? its possible but I would encourage to drop fat calories by 500 and add in some extra cardio to start seeing weight drop.

Ill drop the cals to 2k and go from there.

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