My PCT strategy: Nothing is easier!

[Steroidman99]

Hello, I wonder, why so much space has been written on the topic "PCT". After my intense experience with steroid cycles during the last three years, I forgot all the crap that I have read in the internet and I created my own PCT plan that is very simple and trivial.

After finishing a cycle, I start to take Anavar - 10 mg/day -, together with antiestrogens (in my case, it is anastrozole, 1 mg/day). I take it for 4 weeks, then I stop using Anavar and I take the antiestrogen for remaining 3-4 weeks. No problem. Where do you see all the problems, seriously?

If you follow the incredibly stupid advice "After finishing a cycle, stop using steroids and set up antiestrogens", you must naturally be back on your pre-cycle level within 10 days, because antiestrogens can't elevate your testosterone levels so quickly and all your gained muscle mass and strength is rapidly catabolized. Frankly, who invented this methodology?

I supposed that antiestrogens couldn't be taken simultaneously with small doses of steroids, because even the small steroid dose interfered with the stimulating effect of an antiestrogen. Yet it is not true. Has anybody ever tested it? Obviously no! And we must read all the nonsensical bullsh*t on internet web servers over and over again.

Because of it, I lost gains of one of my cycles completely, and from another cycles I kept only a decent percentage, because my post-cycle testosterone levels are usually almost zero. Wasted money!

This winter, I didn't finish my Anavar cycle, because I had started with it too early, only 2 months since my last PCT. It didn't work much - despite doses approaching 100 mg/day - and I also felt sick. Hence I packed it up after mere 3,5 weeks. Since my testosterone levels were undoubtedly suppressed and I didn't want to finish on a worse level than before the cycle, I told myself: Why not to use small doses of Anavar with anastrozole during PCT? I was frustrated from this darned cycle and I had nothing to lose. To my surprise, I gained more strength during this PCT than during the cycle. I finished it elegantly with no problems. Well, it could have been a mere fluke, so I did the same after another 8-week Anavar cycle this summer. I took 1 mg anastrozole/day and 10 mg Anavar/day for 4 weeks, then stopped Anavar and took anastrozole for 3 weeks. It's been 7 weeks since the end of the cycle and my strength level is exactly the same. No fluke! Where is any problem, really?

[gixxerboy1]

did you do any bloodwork to confirm anything?

[Steroidman99]

I didn't do any bloodwork this time. Only after my previous cycles. My testosterone level was 11 ng/dl - about 2% of the normal level. No wonder that I lost everything so fast. There was no anabolic hormone in my body. Everything was quickly catabolized within 10 days. The keeping of my strength gains is the clearest proof that it is working.

My biggest concern is that antiestrogens will elevate your testosterone levels, but this stimulation is - to a certain extent - artifical and your HPTA may not be fully recovered. If you stop using them too early, they can drop back, sometimes too harshly. I should probably continue in using anastrozole for additional few weeks.

[ghettoboyd]

thats why most dont use ai's durring pct but insted use SERM's to block estrogen at the receptor site and also elevate LH to help kickstart the testes...this has worked for me on many occasions so i dont think you have re-writen the book on pct with your findings bro imho...

[cb714]

Interesting post bro... Im not gonna bash you because I do not have the proper experience to do so. Blood work would put the icing on the cake though, in your favor.

I've talked to different people I've been meeting and not everyone seems to follow the mainstream PCT protocol that most seem to use. Me personally am sticking to Nolva for PCT and HCG in the 2 weeks between end of cycle and start of PCT.

I look at it like this, if it works, it works. I think you will do the community justice though if you were to get some blood tests and share with the rest of us. If there is anything I've learned is that knowledge should not remain static. If someone finds a better way to do something then we should embrace change... given that it's been tested and proven.

[Bonaparte]

Uhhh...
So why are you using Adex rather than a SERM?
And are these only short oral-only cycles? Because FYI those are much easier to recover from than real injectable cycles.
Also, "trivial" means unimportant...so I'm assuming that's not the word you were looking for in the beginning.

All in all, this is a garbage PCT that would only work for the sort of weak cycles you run.

[tasKer]

it's more better a pct with Proviron + Clomid + Femara....

Proviron: Can take up libido and muscle gain
Clomid + Femara: For natural test production kick in...

[5x10]

im 10-12 weeks out from my cycle and i feel great, never did have the real hard crash
i ran swiftos protocol, worked like a charm
blood test this week or next to confirm

[number twelve]

so if you run a cycle for 10 weeks then var for 4 weeks your doing a 14 week cycle. thank you. i have considered taking 10 mg of nolva for the last 2 weeks of a cycle to get my self jump started. also feel that hcg is very valuable

[Steroidman99]

Uhhh...
So why are you using Adex rather than a SERM?
And are these only short oral-only cycles? Because FYI those are much easier to recover from than real injectable cycles.
Also, "trivial" means unimportant...so I'm assuming that's not the word you were looking for in the beginning.

All in all, this is a garbage PCT that would only work for the sort of weak cycles you run.

I use anastrozole, because I got several grams from my friend for free It is obviously sufficient and the reduction of estrogens should not be much severe.

I saw a comparison of anastrozole, exemestane, tamoxifen, letrozol and other antiestrogens, and they all have a very similar stimulating effect on HPTA - except letrozol that is much stronger, but negatively influences blood lipids.

Remember, please, that my endogenous testosterone was suppressed by almost 100%. That's not an easy starting point for recovery. After long injectable cycles, this approach could be even more useful.

And yes, I probably used an incorrect English word. In my language (Czech), "trivial" means rather "ridiculously simple".

[Bonaparte]

I use anastrozole, because I got several grams from my friend for free It is obviously sufficient and the reduction of estrogens should not be much severe.

I saw a comparison of anastrozole, exemestane, tamoxifen, letrozol and other antiestrogens, and they all have a very similar stimulating effect on HPTA - except letrozol that is much stronger, but negatively influences blood lipids.

Remember, please, that my endogenous testosterone was suppressed by almost 100%. That's not an easy starting point for recovery. After long injectable cycles, this approach could be even more useful.

And yes, I probably used an incorrect English word. In my language (Czech), "trivial" means rather "ridiculously simple".

Well here's the thing: your PCT isn't anything novel. It's actually just a combination of several old-school protocols that didn't work that well (tapering, switching to a milder compound, and using a reversibly binding AI), which is why they were replaced with current protocols. Sure, you personally may be able to get away with it, but it is far from ideal IMO. And near 100% suppression by the end of a cycle is NOTHING compared to running a standard injectable cycle. Any ester of test will test will have your endogenous T levels at 0 within a few weeks, and a 19-nor will accomplish this within a few days of the first shot.
This this is far from the best PCT ever, but rather something that might work ok if you aren't too suppressed and have a limited number of options for PCT drugs.

[Steroidman99]

Yes, it is not novel. This is why I copied the "novel" pieces of advice from the internet and lost everything within 10 days.

This method is actually a far safer choice after any long-term cycles with harsh suppression - that regularly occurs in me. And it is very simple, logical and reasonable. No "tapering"!

[Lemonada8]

How do you know your post cycle values of test are 0? You cant have blood work done that will show the difference between endogenous and exogenous, and if you get a LH and FSH value done, I almost guarentee they werent 0, so that shows there was some endogenous production of test...
So what was the "stupid advice/novel pieces of advice" that you took regarding antiestrogens? What was your previous cycles PCT's and what were the cycles? You didnt really give much background information so its hard to see what you are trying to say?
Are you saying that anavar and anastrazole should be a pct? Or that when you tried to do a anavar cycle you didnt get much, so you added anastrazole in and you got better?
Considering that anavar is mild on the HPTA, it wouldnt nearly shut you down to a test level of 0, and if it did then anastrazole wouldnt have done much due to it being a competitive inhibitor.

SO i dont think its a safer nor smarter choice for a true injectable cycle and the suppression that follows to do only anavar and anastrazole (or any competitive AI for that matter, aromasin can be argued but still doubtful) for recovery. however the human body is something great and truthfully most dont need a pct cuz their body will rebalance itself anyways but it can take a long time for that to happen.

[Steroidman99]

How do you know your post cycle values of test are 0? You cant have blood work done that will show the difference between endogenous and exogenous, and if you get a LH and FSH value done, I almost guarentee they werent 0, so that shows there was some endogenous production of test...

I have never taken exogenous testosterone. The value 11 ng/dl was measured several days after the end of my 8-week Anavar cycle (December 2009-January 2010), roughly 60-65 mg/day (steroid powder mixed in plant oil). Even after one month, it was still only something over 100 ng/dl. I took S4 (SARM) then during PCT, but until I found out the right dosage, my strength gains partly disappeared.
And it was also quite expensive.

I suffer from brutal suppression after every steroid cycle. Anavar is no exception. Those 10 mg Anavar/day during PCT roughly equal your daily testosterone production, so it is a minimum dose that you must take. The Anavar+anastrozole combination obviously works. I don't have any problems now. It is absurd to stop taking steroids completely after the end of the cycle. The antiestrogens can't recover your endogenous testosterone so quickly. It needs several weeks, perhaps even with HcG (although I never used this stuff). So it is wise to use small steroid doses together with antiestrogens for some time.

[Lemonada8]

have you ever tried clomid? or how about using injectable test?
Yes it is absurd to stop after a cycle completely, thats why there is a whole thread on PCT here. the combo of clomid and nolva with HCG during cycle would help boost test production.

and nolva/clomid arent anti estrogens, they affect the receptor which is where they work.