Lol. Now you guys move on to my age, prop winny cycle for a first isn't that bad, atleast I'm not running tren for a first cycle with out test . I see you guys having debates on another thread about tren without test, its an absolute NO NO, you don't wanna sit here and hear what each individual has got to say. EVERY time I have ever asked any AAS a question and asked another one the same question, THEY'RE always different. People give opinions , excuse me MAJORITY of the people here give opinions not knowledge, I respect the ones that offer true knowledge rather than "what caused your acne" , because everyone will differ do to their own body reaction. That's a major problem with believing what people say on here. A guy advised my PCT once and I asked how did you feel when you when on clomid. He had the balls to tell me he has never cycled before.