OK ready to cycle for first time

[Hondarocks]

I just want to do a deca and sus cycle for 12 weeks. With nova at the end.

[dec11]

age and stats and traing exp?

[10nispro]

stats and cycle history please

[Hondarocks]

29, training since I was 16. 175, 70". Cannot get any more gains past this point. I don't feel like I am getting my times worth for the amount of work I put in. I train with a trainer and a mature natural bodybuilder and a navy seal. I am ready to take the next step. No previous cycles. I have the steriods 101 black book, but this was written in 2002 and seems like this guy writes for pro BB and not first time users.

[10nispro]

bf%? Looks like diet problems also you should do a test only first cycle

[dec11]

do 500mg sust pw split into 250mg x2 3 days apart. forget the deca until another time.

pct nolva 20/20/20/20/20
clomid 50/50/50/50/50

have an ai like aromasin or adex on hand for any gyno flare up. you need to have a good diet going 1st or you'll waste time and money

[Hondarocks]

body fat 13%
Diet problems. How so? And why test only..Isn't that a bit extreme?

[dec11]

body fat 13%
Diet problems. How so? And why test only..Isn't that a bit extreme?

what you mean 'extreme'?

[Hondarocks]

Thanks for the rec, but I dont know anything your just wrote. "Sust pw split"
Why no deca?
I eat good food, oatmeal, eggs, weight gainers, lots of fish, yams and on and on, I am always full.

[10nispro]

bf% should be below 15% as to cut down on sides. You have never cycled so how would you know if you had problems which compound was causing it

[Hondarocks]

what you mean 'extreme'?

That's gonna make me loose all my hair and have a lot of side effects, I wanted to start out slow, I thought deca was the cleanest drug out there.

[Hondarocks]

bf% should be below 15% as to cut down on sides. You have never cycled so how would you know if you had problems which compound was causing it

To cut down on side effects?

[dec11]

That's gonna make me loose all my hair and have a lot of side effects, I wanted to start out slow, I though deca was the cleanest drug out there.

no, other way around (was for me anyhow), deca will leave you more prone to hairloss.

1st cycle, test only, if you add anything else you wont know where any potential sides are coming from. test only is starting out slow. test is the base of any cycle

[Hondarocks]

I might have to take some clen to cut down a bit I cant shake some of this fat, the navy seal I train with said it works wonders and will knock me down to 5-6% no problem. I eat clean.

[10nispro]

deca shuts your test production and will cause erection problems. You need to always run test in a cycle. You need to read and research more before starting a cycle

[Hondarocks]

no, other way around, deca will leave you more prone to hairloss.

1st cycle, test only, if you add anything else you wont know where any potential sides are coming from. test only is starting out slow

Ok what kind of test? C,E,H or P?

[dec11]

Ok what kind of test? C,E,H or P?

c or e. but you've already said you have sust?

[Hondarocks]

deca shuts your test production and will cause erection problems. You need to always run test in a cycle. You need to read and research more before starting a cycle

Doing that! Thats why I am here, ok so no deca, got it.

[10nispro]

test c or e. Doesn't matter which

[Hondarocks]

Whats wrong with H or P? Or Suspension or Depot?

[10nispro]

nothing. Just lots less injections with c or e

[Hondarocks]

OK got it.

Cycle info plz?

[dec11]

Whats wrong with H or P? Or Suspension or Depot?

never heard of 'h'

suspension has to be injected multiple time per DAY. test p will have you injecting ED or EOD, not a nice entrance to AAS.

depot isnt an ester

[10nispro]

look at dec11 earlier post. Its the cycle you should follow. Use e or c or sust for the test