Well I DO live in a fantasy land most of the time I guess what I'm saying is when we openly practice to be decietful with doctors and then celebrate it on a forum where ANYONE can read it, a forum where we share knowledge ideas and support for doing things legally because most of us NEED doctors to help us and have a time finding one.....I can't see where this sort of thread helps our cause. Personally I'm tired of using "RESEARCH" chemicals, I would like to go to a doc and have him trust me and be able to trust him back, this sort of open talk about a questionable practice will have a propensity to cause more damage than good. I'm not saying he should or should not take the action he did just saying it could be done in a more discreet manner.......but what the hell.....this IS a board dedicated to steroids so I suppose we will never be considered a moral pillar of society.