Obama!!!

[Twist]

Bush is in the past, leave him there nothing he can do to change the situation we are in now. And actually for that matter, things were going a little better (not good), when bush was in office. In addition, I do believe you are correct though. It is time for a radical change in America. The sooner the better.

We are still paying through the nose for the last republican nomination so to me it is not in the past. It is not something we are over yet so still relevant. Not to mention that the candidates we have now are quite possibly worse than Bush. The problem with Bush is that he sold our country out and knew it. The problem with the new candidates is that they are going to sell our country out and they are too stupid to even realize it. They have created a lie and rallied so many people on it that they have now come to believe it.

depends on who get the gop nomination.
I'd give it to Obama for 8 more years then Rick Perry for 1 year

Agreed completely. I saw a good breakdown on the candidates on Wallstreet Journal, I'll see if I can find it again.

[CMB]

We are still paying through the nose for the last republican nomination so to me it is not in the past. It is not something we are over yet so still relevant. Not to mention that the candidates we have now are quite possibly worse than Bush. The problem with Bush is that he sold our country out and knew it. The problem with the new candidates is that they are going to sell our country out and they are too stupid to even realize it. They have created a lie and rallied so many people on it that they have now come to believe it.

Yeah, definitely correct there. We are still paying for it. However, its not fair to blame this crisis just on bush. Lets give him some credit, 9/11 and operation iraqi freedom would have been hard to ANY president to handle if you ask me. I'm just tired of hearing people rank on bush, not that they are incorrect, but rather that was 4 years ago. Its just time that we realize that radical change needs to be made. Why? Because radical situations call for it.

I like this thread it isn't politcal bashing but actual sensible input. Any luck with that wallstreet journal, twist?

[Twist]

I agree those situations are difficult. My position is that if another president (Obama, Hillary, Clinton) was in office that we would have never entered these un-winnable wars in the first place. My position on these wars is that Bush is not to blame at all, Cheney is to blame. Cheney secretly ran the whole country, Bush was just a face. You also must understand that Cheney and other white house cronies had a tremendous amount of monetary gain by entering this war. Illegal contracts were given out to companies with direct ties to the white house. The most common example is Halliburton which was given an illegal no-bid contract milking the government for 17billion dollars between 2003-2006. They were given this contract (a 5 year contract btw) a month before an invasion. Cheney ran this company before stepping down to be VP for Bush. Oh and Halliburton pays Cheney $1million per year as part of his severance package. Cheney denied involvement in this which was later proven false by Time magazine. In the end the whistleblowers were fired...

This is how the presidency worked: certain affiliates create services that are unique to the conflict that will arise and because of this when said conflict arises they are the most logical company to contract out to. Keep in mind that this is all explained by the government in certain ways. In fact, in many instances it seems rational and I would doubt my thoughts on the matter if it weren't for the undeniable connections between the groups prospering and the people calling the shots. Now because Obama, Hillary, Gore, Bill etc don't have these connections then I doubt such contracts would be made and the war would have turned out completely differently.

The underlying interests of candidates has to be looked at. Take Bachman for example: her husband runs some type of church thing in which he tries to convince gay people that they are not gay and tries to get them to change their ways. Although his wife distances herself from this a little bit you can bet that if she became president there would be a fight about reenacting the don't ask don't tell policy and I'm willing to bet there would be a huge uproar about gay marriage in states. THis is not something I care about nor do I wish for our tax dollars to be spent on this. This is nothing compared to the ties Cheney had with Halliburton but I am trying to make a distinction between the underlying interests of people and how they choose to rule. The point I'm trying to get across is that Obama doesn't have an underlying agenda. Giving people healthcare is really not a bad thing when you consider what the other candidates chose to fight about. The minute I start seeing the corporations taking sides with Democrats as they have with republicans I will switch sides. I'm pissed at Obama for sure because I thought he would do something about the tax system and healthcare and the way schools are run but he didn't. He's still better than the alternatives...

Can't find the WSJ article. It was an article in marketwatch and I can't remember the title so have no idea what to search for. If I come across another one I will post it up. The good thing about this one was that there was the article and following it was a commentary post that basically compared each republican to Bush. So for example it said something like Perry is Bush 2.0 because of xyz. It wasn't bashing though it was just comparing the two.

[Twist]

BTW I think Bachman's husband is gay or bi but that is my pure speculation.

[yogiart]

obama = vacation and golf on our tax dollars!!!

You probably meant "Bush" Not Obama here

[yogiart]

A little devil's advocate?


"So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days."

Bush held the least amount of press conferences in history btw. Can't shoot down Obama for something that is minor compared to the alternatives.


Clinton = surplus --> Bush = recession (twice) --> Obama = slow but steady improvement (record corporate profits, lower unemployment etc) --> Republican congress = downgrade, immediate slow of economy, talks of double dip increase
This is super broad and I'm not gonna argue each individual statement because if you can't see the pattern you are blind.



If I had another alternative to Obama I would vote for them. Look at the potential candidates for presidency though... We're left with no choice.

This guy speaks very well and has been studying!!
I understand that slow but steady improvements is frustrating for many especially for those who have been struggling to survive in their daily lives but it is the only way here, there is no quantum leaps. We are cleaning up an old fvcked up system and it has to be done one thing at a time. It will be even slower when you have political power struggle issues.

[zaggahamma]

This guy speaks very well and has been studying!!
I understand that slow but steady improvements is frustrating for many especially for those who have been struggling to survive in their daily lives but it is the only way here, there is no quantum leaps. We are cleaning up an old fvcked up system and it has to be done one thing at a time. It will be even slower when you have political power struggle issues.

what are our worst political power struggles.....solyndra accountability/involvement, fast and furious festivities, .....

[Armykid93]

I dont want to be disrespectful to the commander in chief but, My family owned a car business, while Bush was in office we sold lots and lots of cars, at all different price ranges. When President Obama start campaigning for his presidency there was a lot of America Bashing in my opinion and our business began to slow dramatically, hes caused people to lose faith in our country. I believe hes doing the best job he can BUT now because of him my family has lost their business and will soon lose our house. I love this country and no matter what the numbers are still think its the greatest country on earth to be in. I dont think we need to go back to the way things used to be cuz in my opinion America has gone soft.

I am a Repulican and I liked president Bush but I know that being the president is not an easy job and honestly I feel bad for Obama, I dont think he new what he was getting into honestly cuz hes a smart person. Hes very educated but his ideas just havent worked.

One last edit to lol sorry but make sure you guys are looking threw all kinds of news. If you normally go to FOX try CNN and vice versa, thats why I do because I really do try to get the whole story, media is incredibly biast.

[zaggahamma]

I dont want to be disrespectful to the commander in chief but, My family owned a car business, while Bush was in office we sold lots and lots of cars, at all different price ranges. When President Obama start campaigning for his presidency there was a lot of America Bashing in my opinion and our business began to slow dramatically, hes caused people to lose faith in our country. I believe hes doing the best job he can BUT now because of him my family has lost their business and will soon lose our house. I love this country and no matter what the numbers are still think its the greatest country on earth to be in. I dont think we need to go back to the way things used to be cuz in my opinion America has gone soft.

I am a Repulican and I liked president Bush but I know that being the president is not an easy job and honestly I feel bad for Obama, I dont think he new what he was getting into honestly cuz hes a smart person. Hes very educated but his ideas just havent worked.

One last edit to lol sorry but make sure you guys are looking threw all kinds of news. If you normally go to FOX try CNN and vice versa, thats why I do because I really do try to get the whole story, media is incredibly biast.

i do this as well and you made some excellent points except a lil kind on obamma i bolded why i believe so

[Armykid93]

haha thanks. People get so angry when others disagree with them but thats just politics. Both parties have flaws. But from my life experience, what ive actually seen i do not think he was better than Bush. We kept records before we went out of business of all our sales, we actually hired someone to graph them for us to see if there was a pattern, trying to figure out what we were doing wrong and I kid you not 85% of the days obama gave a speech we did not sell a car.

This was most prevelant during his campaign and held true all threw out his presidency so far. My family has now had to file bankruptcy and we have lost our business. Not asking for sympathy or nothin but facts are facts and my family got screwed.

[spywizard]

President of the United States of America, Commander & Chief of the US Armed Forces, First African-American President, Has a sexy wife, Beats the hell out of either Bush, Pioneer of Americas 2025 Space Program to Mars, Walks out of meetings when people don't listen, Has a Blackberry, Aging well.

and $15,000,000,000,000 trillion in debt, fraud and corruption at all levels...

[Armykid93]

I loved President Bush, thought he was a great man.

[wmaousley]

and $15,000,000,000,000 trillion in debt, fraud and corruption at all levels...

15 Trillion in Debt which was started by Bush, Obama never put americans in this debt, Bush did. Are you 12

[supersize me]

At what point do people stop blaming President Bush for Obama's problems, when nothing beneficial has come forth from Obama's administration his entire presidency?

We get it, you inherited some issues. I'm pretty sure President Reagan did as well, but look what he did during his presidency.

[AllAmerican-PCS]

Same shit different asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coolhand5599]

any thoughts or opinions? When you saw the title of this thread whats the first thing that came to mind??

For me-imbicile

sucks

[Coolhand5599]

15 Trillion in Debt which was started by Bush, Obama never put americans in this debt, Bush did. Are you 12

Are fricking mad! Obama has almost doubled the debt in three years. He is the biggest disaster in us history

[zaggahamma]

scary part is most hard working ppl dont like the concept of robbing peter to pay paul but we'll be up shits creek if there are more pauls

[Coolhand5599]

I will give you all financial advice to all of you free. Someone please tell this to any politician you can't spend your way out of debt! If you spend more than you make you will go broke. It really is that simple

[thegodfather]

At what point do people stop blaming President Bush for Obama's problems, when nothing beneficial has come forth from Obama's administration his entire presidency?

We get it, you inherited some issues. I'm pretty sure President Reagan did as well, but look what he did during his presidency.

You dont. The real reason is because there is little discernable difference between the policies of President Obama and President Bush. Bush approved warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, torture, and the denial of habeas corpus; and Obama jumped right on the bandwagon and decided he would say the hell with the court and rule of law, he's now judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to which American citizens are assassinated overseas for being a threat to national security (which he determines solely). Bush was a fan of defecit spending for war, Obama is a fan of defecit spending for entitlements. Bush was in favor of pre-emptive war, Obama is in favor of pre-emptive war.

You'd actually have a much harder time, and shorter list, pointing out the DIFFERENCES between the policies of the left&right, and you would probably on come up with a handfull of social issues like abortion and gay rights. Other then that, either party, same net result.

[zaggahamma]

You dont. The real reason is because there is little discernable difference between the policies of President Obama and President Bush. Bush approved warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, torture, and the denial of habeas corpus; and Obama jumped right on the bandwagon and decided he would say the hell with the court and rule of law, he's now judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to which American citizens are assassinated overseas for being a threat to national security (which he determines solely). Bush was a fan of defecit spending for war, Obama is a fan of defecit spending for entitlements. Bush was in favor of pre-emptive war, Obama is in favor of pre-emptive war.

You'd actually have a much harder time, and shorter list, pointing out the DIFFERENCES between the policies of the left&right, and you would probably on come up with a handfull of social issues like abortion and gay rights. Other then that, either party, same net result.

do you think ron paul is the best chance we have in the mix atm?

[Armykid93]

Mitt or newt is getting the nomination for sure. I like newt better but not a whole lot. Santorum is good but not well enough known.

[zaggahamma]

Mitt or newt is getting the nomination for sure. I like newt better but not a whole lot. Santorum is good but not well enough known.

i agree with that statement and the only way i differ is i like newt much more and wonder how much romney paid for that trump endorsement...romney being the one all whiney pants when trump was going to moderate a debate......watch greta van susteron's on the record....she attacks every angle...she's a lot more fair and balance than o'reilley...i used to like him but i'm seeing thru his koolaid

[Coolhand5599]

i agree with that statement and the only way i differ is i like newt much more and wonder how much romney paid for that trump endorsement...romney being the one all whiney pants when trump was going to moderate a debate......watch greta van susteron's on the record....she attacks every angle...she's a lot more fair and balance than o'reilley...i used to like him but i'm seeing thru his koolaid

I like to listen to Newt more and I would love to see that debate. But he is another career politician. Romney is the better candidate for one reason. USA is the worlds largest business and it needs to be run as such.

Trump endorsed Romney for one reason, Romney will be the guy to go against Obama and trump wants to endorse a winner so he can take credit.

[zaggahamma]

I like to listen to Newt more and I would love to see that debate. But he is another career politician. Romney is the better candidate for one reason. USA is the worlds largest business and it needs to be run as such.

Trump endorsed Romney for one reason, Romney will be the guy to go against Obama and trump wants to endorse a winner so he can take credit.

that is the popular belief but then again so was the hopey changey...i'll definitely vote for romney if he wins but am a newton

[Vettester]

that is the popular belief but then again so was the hopey changey...i'll definitely vote for romney if he wins but am a newton

As you know, I'm with you for Newt. However, I think we're going to get Romney on the ticket. I will also vote for him, but I just don't feel all that good about his ability to beat Bama. It's too bad, because I think Newt would be the type to do what he says he will do. Something about Romney just keeps rubbing me wrong ... Seems like he will gladly tell us what we want to hear, but maybe do something else. We already have that in office.

[Armykid93]

I love politics haha.

Shut up and lift

[zaggahamma]

As you know, I'm with you for Newt. However, I think we're going to get Romney on the ticket. I will also vote for him, but I just don't feel all that good about his ability to beat Bama. It's too bad, because I think Newt would be the type to do what he says he will do. Something about Romney just keeps rubbing me wrong ... Seems like he will gladly tell us what we want to hear, but maybe do something else. We already have that in office.

i am in the EXACT mindset

not giving up yet...newt doing some digging on all those oversea accounts mr. i love firing ppl has...lmao

oops

[zaggahamma]

I love politics haha.

Free speach and lift heavy and often

fixed

[Vettester]

This pipeline deal is still just bugging the hell out of me. It could have been such a lucrative deal for our country, and that guy who promised so much hope and change just threw it out like a piece of garbage. Sounds like the Canadians are working on the logistics to pipeline it over to B.C., then export to China from there. If any president even gave half a damn about our country and its people, he would make that deal happen. This is one topic that I think Newt would just grill Obama's ass with, but I see Romney being passive about it at best. Romney is a take the high road type of guy, not looking to get roll up his sleeves to far. At least that's my take ...

[Razor]

Reasons he will win
Romney is an idiot
Gingrich shows signs of marital infidelity or wanting "open marraiage" think married women are
Going to like that?
THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE ALIENS.
Obama is the president...BOOM! Call a press conference in my house please..done..
Got us out of war on his term, kill osama and pirates
Didn't rase taxes on middle class, passed healthcare that appeals to the masses
Took all you rich people money and gave it to the poor.
Thats why he is gonna win

Do I like Obama, somewhat not really, but hes going to win...not matter what so
Buy some more adrol and gh and test and go to the gym
Who cares. Voting was the biggest fraud pulled on the American People.
If you think your vote counts, think again.

I love you guys, not going to argue or post any rebuttles to this.
Peace and Love

[zaggahamma]

Reasons he will win
Romney is an idiot
Gingrich shows signs of marital infidelity or wanting "open marraiage" think married women are
Going to like that?
THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE ALIENS.
Obama is the president...BOOM! Call a press conference in my house please..done..
Got us out of war on his term, kill osama and pirates
Didn't rase taxes on middle class, passed healthcare that appeals to the masses
Took all you rich people money and gave it to the poor.
Thats why he is gonna win

Do I like Obama,,,not, but hes going to win...not matter what so
Buy some more adrol and gh and test and go to the gym
Who cares. Voting was the biggest fraud pulled on the American People.
If you think your vote counts, think again.

I love you guys, not going to argue or post any rebuttles to this.
Peace and Love

solyndra pipeline gas prices catholic church Israel....looks like going into the 4th quarter..debate over no rebuttle

[spywizard]

14 trillion in debt
80,000 jobs lost just in the military reduction
Hates america and all that it stands for current and past
Increase in taxes

but i came in to close the thread since we don't allow political threads, this one on the other hand is a what is your opinion and i didn't really see name calling or bashing..

[Armykid93]

14 trillion in debt
80,000 jobs lost just in the military reduction
Hates america and all that it stands for current and past
Increase in taxes

but i came in to close the thread since we don't allow political threads, this one on the other hand is a what is your opinion and i didn't really see name calling or bashing..

Best president ever right? Haha not!

[Razor]

President of the United States of America, Commander & Chief of the US Armed Forces, First African-American President, Has a sexy wife, Beats the hell out of either Bush, Pioneer of Americas 2025 Space Program to Mars, Walks out of meetings when people don't listen, Has a Blackberry, Aging well.

Haha walks out of meetings, when was this??

[Penwrath]

i figured it was going to be a thread bashing.
I think Obama was a better choice then McCain.
I dont agree with some of his ideas, some i do.
I wish he knew how to negotiate better.
I believe he is alot smarter then Bush.

Totally agree with the fact that he was a better option then McCain! America didn't need an old man as a president IMO

[zaggahamma]

youre 0-2 all in one post

[JayBee]

1st thing was...no more

[canesfan804]

You do know Bush had more days off in his first term then Obama has had right.

[canesfan804]

[QUOTE=Twist;5726425]A little devil's advocate?


"So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days."

Bush held the least amount of press conferences in history btw. Can't shoot down Obama for something that is minor compared to the alternatives.


Clinton = surplus --> Bush = recession (twice) --> Obama = slow but steady improvement (record corporate profits, lower unemployment etc) --> Republican congress = downgrade, immediate slow of economy, talks of double dip increase
This is super broad and I'm not gonna argue each individual statement because if you can't see the pattern you are blind.



If I had another alternative to Obama I would vote for them. Look at the potential candidates for presidency though... We're left with no choice.

Home run!!! Couldnt have said it better. Until these jerkoffs in govt learn to work together for us the average man keeps on losing. Obama has done a fair job with the hand he was delt.