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[Doc M]

Talon..I know it's hard to be patient, especially when you are contemplating your first cycle..My strong advice is to wait until you can add in Test for the entire duration of the cycle..Your results will be much more dramatic and your sex drive will not take a nose dive on you..

I personally would have Bromocriptine on hand in case you start to show effects from the Deca..As has been stated, Nolva will have no effects on the Deca induced gyna, and it could cause you some problems with the ladies if you develop "bitch tits"..Be patient and make sure you have all of the AS in hand and all of the ancillaries as well..You're right, this is a big step so make it a smart one and do things right..

If you do decide to wait and save up your $$$, I would add in the test and then close out the cycle with some Winstrol..I have run a Deca, Test, and Winny cycle and was very happy with the results..Also, at 300 mgs of Deca, you will not likely see any major bloating from it, so I personally would not start using the Nolva unless you started to notice the bloating and blood pressure changes..There are a few schools of thought on this, but I never added in the Nolva and had no bloating and my BP was always in check..But, everyone is different..Good luck!!!

Doc M

[talon]

No guys, ya got me here wrong again...LOL. Im not going to jump into the deca alone, but I always see everyone here saying you will get the maximum gains if you mix TEST etc. What if the maximum gains arent what Im looking for. Not 20 to 25 pounds in ten weeks, more like 10 pounds in 10 weeks. All the while only one chemical in my body, not two. You see I can always do the dec. alone, and if the libido goes down add TEST; right? I just wanna keep it SO simple this first go around. I have an entire life to live. If this soots me well then next time stack. Ya see me?
OH YHEA DOC, thanks for gettin over here to post on the tread. This might be dumb coming from someone who know fitness/nutrition very well, but what is bromocriptine? An antiprogesterone? Kinda like the morning after pill?

PS guys I spend $150 on supplements easy every ten weeks. They will not harm my body and are far safer then gear. You see with deca alone its pretty safe, plus its only one horm. in my body. Im looking at it like this, safer and the gains I will get from it will be twice as much as 10 wks of supps. Plus, if someone was going to loose there libido, it wouldnt be me. I have sex 4-5 times a day and still want more. I love it....J/K guys...lol.

[punk_bbuilder]

I think 150 for the deca isnt that horrible dude. Right now alot of our guys got nabbed and we can only get it for 180$ which is total shit. I would throw in some test with your cycle. BDTR is very knowledgable on such things.

[toolman]

wouldnt be me. I have sex 4-5 times a day and still want more. I love it....J/K guys...lol.

Famous last words Talon.

With Deca only, you can kiss that sex life goodbye. If you later decide you want to add test to correct this, you are still looking at a few weeks before serum levels get to the point that will counteract the limp dick that Deca will leave you with.

If you shoot test only for the first part of the cycle, it takes about 4 weeks to feel the strength and see the gains, so you will stop the test just when it is getting fun

Lastly, like you, my target was 10 lbs for my first cycle. I ran sust 250 and Deca and gained over 20 lbs and let me tell you...I have never thought, darn, I only wanted 10! In fact, I couldn't wait to gain more on the next cycle. You'll see what I mean if you take everyones advice here and wait until you can run test the whole time.

[talon]

TOOL Im going to run the test. That waz a JOKE just for shits and giggles. I am going to do this right even if I have to wait a couple of extra weeks. Im going to run the 300mg per wk Deca for 10 weeks + 300mg of Test. Enan. for 10 weeks. LOL.

[poppapump58]

If you used lets say 200mg of test a week, that would be alot better than not using test at all. Deca has been known to shut down your libido pretty hard.

[djsir007]

keep us posted on your results after you get started