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    First cycle here, have a few questions.

    Hello, I am 24 years old, about 150 pounds, 5’7” 9-11% body fat and have been training consistently and correctly (including diet) for the past 2 years, but I have also “worked out” 2 years before that as well.
    This will be my first cycle, and my cycle goals are to add 10-15 pounds of lean mass on my body which from what I read is pretty realistic. I want to use AAS because I’ve been a hard gainer my whole life, and these past 2 years I’ve worked really hard to gain this lean weight, but I feel like I’ve hit a plateau now, 155 has always been my max weight no matter what I eat or how I change my routines.

    I’ve been reading around and obviously my first cycle will be Test-E only, I still have a few questions which I’ll post at the end, but my cycle is as follows:

    Weeks 1-9:
    *500mg testosterone per week
    *1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    *1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
    *320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day
    Week 10:
    *300mg testosterone per week
    *1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    *1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
    Week 11:
    *200mg testosterone per week
    *1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    *1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
    Week 12:
    *1.25mg of finasteride per day
    *.25mg of Arimidex every other day
    *100mg of clomid every day
    Week 13:
    *1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
    *50mg of clomid every day
    Okay, so my questions are:

    1. First of all, a lot of the cycles I see that are “Newbie friendly” have Test-E going for 10-12 weeks, then a 2 week break to “clear the system” and then the PCT starts, this cycle I found took a lot of the PCT dr*gs during the cycle as a protective measure, with no 2 week break between the cycle and the start of the PCT. Is this fine to do; is there any benefit of doing this? Will it affect my cycle in any way? Or is the 2 week break between the cycle and a straight PCT preferred more than this?

    2. A lot of cycles that I have seen take 500mg of test per week for 10 weeks straight, but I have seen some cycles that do a “taper down” Is there any benefit to this method, or should I just do the normal 10 week cycle followed by a 2 week break?

    3. Another question I have is Arimidex vs Nolva, which do you find more effective?

    4. My final question is in relation to D-bol, do you guys find that “kickstarting” the cycle with D-bol for the first 4 weeks at 10mg 3/d helpful in the overall gains of the cycle?

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    Always get blood work before and after first cycle to get a good idea how your body recovers from PCT

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    First of all, I will get my blood work done, but I'm just waiting until I finalize my cycle and research. This isn't something that I will start like next week, I'm going to wait until at least December, get everything down correctly.

    As for the smaller cycles, I was actually looking into that, do you mean doing a "MEDIUM LENGTH CYCLES (6-8 Weeks)" I am open to that, but I was under the impression that 8-10 weeks Test-E was the most optimal and standard for a first timer.

    Thanks for the response.

    Quote Originally Posted by coot589 View Post
    Always get blood work before and after first cycle to get a good idea how your body recovers from PCT
    I intend to do that.

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    My first cycle was 3500 Cal. I went from 196 up to 220 and down to 215 after PCT was over
    test E 500mg WK 1-10
    no anti estro
    Pct
    100mg clomid wk 1-2 ED
    50mg Clomid wk 3-6 ED
    40mg Nova wk 1-2 ED
    20mg Nova wk 3-6 ED

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    Good to see you doing your research first bro, i like the standard test e/c which would be 10/12 weeks in length....
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    Yes kick start with D-bol helps but I would do that cycle 2 just do test cycle one maybe use armidex .25mg EOD or E3D

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bishop View Post
    Im saying why 500 mgs a week for first cycle? why not try 300-400mgs..
    Considering how much the body produces naturally bro this is a very good point, its always better to start on a lower dose, gives you more room for future cycles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Considering how much the body produces naturally bro this is a very good point, its always better to start on a lower dose, gives you more room for future cycles...
    Thanks for clarifying that, but I am looking to maximize my gains and make my cycle as efficient as possible how much of a difference will dosing down from 500mg to 300mg per week make on my gains? I don't mean to overdo it, I am open to the idea of reducing the dosage but I really don't want to cycle a lot, I was hoping to make this cycle count, so I don't have to cycle again for the next year or so.

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    You can do whatever you want mg wise I am just saying what I did and what worked for me.
    I have done 350mg test prop with 350mg tren act and gained 25 pounds in a 12 wk cycle.
    Just have to find what works best for you start small is a good idea and cheaper 2

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    you are 150 pounds so I feel 300mg would be fine for your first cycle
    then on 2nd one maybe add d-bol at beginning

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    Quote Originally Posted by coot589 View Post
    you are 150 pounds so I feel 300mg would be fine for your first cycle
    then on 2nd one maybe add d-bol at beginning
    This will work very well and theres no question your should gain a sizeable amount of muscle, 300mgs is almost 4x what your body produces...

    But the most important thing here is diet, any new muscle gains needs feeding, trust me mate, without the correct amount of fodd and the right food any thing you gain will be lost in a blink....
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    Okay, thanks a lot guys, I've decided I will do 300mg Test-E for 8 weeks based on Bishop , Coot's and your recommendation. As far as diet goes, I have already been looking into my Caloric intake based on weight, as well as breaking down my macro nutritional needs, I will end up increasing my caloric intake to almost 4k as well as keeping a high protein intake, from what I've read the norm is to increase protein to about 2.5 per LB.

    So, this is what I was thinking....

    Weeks 1-8:
    300mg Test-E per week
    1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
    I guess with this dosage, I'm not going to need to take all the PCT things during the first 8 weeks, and will just wait for week 10 to start my PCT unless some symptoms appear.
    Last edited by mephisto212; 10-22-2011 at 02:59 PM.

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    Yes start week 10-12
    clomid 100mg
    nova 40mg
    week 13-16
    clomid 50mg
    nova 20mg
    and you should be safe
    if you get sore nips during cycle try nova 10mg ed or get armidex .25mg EOD

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    What is your diet like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir.solidarity View Post
    What is your diet like?
    average 2500 calories per day.. some days i hit around 3k ...
    i am an ecto so i basically eat often ... along with a 50 + g protein shake every night before i go to sleep....
    my protein intake is easily over 200g daily...

    on the cycle ... i plan on doubling everything ... after i get my cycle down,,i am gonna construct up some meal plans and diets as well

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    IMHO... I would bump the cycle length to 10 wks minimum given the test e wont kickin until around week 5 of your cycle..

    Its good read a thread where your willingto listen to others...do the sme with your diet routine...get it in order and post it up in the diet section they will help get it on point

    Peace

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    Anyone else have any thoughts ?

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