whats the avg gain for a first time users of muscle

[randymeans]

No guys, he said decent clean

[gixxerboy1]

No guys, he said decent clean

still. i 99.9999999% sure he isnt eating that much decent clean or not.

And my comment was about his comment and alot of other threads where every 160lb guy is eating 4000 cal w a perfect diet

[randymeans]

still. i 99.9999999% sure he isnt eating that much decent clean or not.

And my comment was about his comment and alot of other threads where every 160lb guy is eating 4000 cal w a perfect diet

I was bein sarcastic lol, well I notice what your sayin. I like looking at new threads just to read stuff like that. I enjoy this "I've done a ton of research but I still have no clue"

[DrewBombs]

still. i 99.9999999% sure he isnt eating that much decent clean or not.

And my comment was about his comment and alot of other threads where every 160lb guy is eating 4000 cal w a perfect diet

oats
rice
chicken
steak
peanut butter
russian bear 5000 weight gainer
im 180lbs

[gixxerboy1]

oats
rice
chicken
steak
peanut butter
russian bear 5000 weight gainer
im 180lbs

with out portion sizes that can be 2000 calores.
i cant see how anyone can eat 5000 cal and be 180. You would have to burn a crazy amount of calories a day

[DrewBombs]

right now i havent started yet but i can lose weight easy. at my job im always walking and lifting

[Awesome_Archy]

if you really are taking in 5000 clean calories with a good split at your age you shouldn't need to cycle at all.

Only typed half a thought on the first one.