You'll want to read this!

[nekidchickens]

After scouring many different forums and reading all the information that I could soak up on the topic of both weightlifting and AAS I was left confused and with my head spinning from all the different opinions.

Ronnie when I came upon your sticky thread I read it with interest, but all of the citations and explanations that you provide gives me a great deal of confidence with what I read here. There seems to be no dissenting opinion on these boards about your expertise so with that in mind I thought I might post my proposed cycle (my second) and ask your thoughts.

I lift 4 times per week presently. I am looking solely to gain mass, and my diet is high protein, high fat, low carb while on reload, and higher carb lower protien and fat while on deload.

Day 1 Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 2 Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
Day 3 Alternate Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 4 Alternate Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday as rest days.

I do it this way instead of taking rest in between workout days because of the availability of my gym. I plan to use the 8 reload and 2 deload cycle that you describe for both my workouts and my AAS.

Suggestions?

My AAS cycle is as follows;



PHASE 1
8 week reload:
weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mgs per day
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1mg EOD

Weeks 5-8 Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

2 week deload:
weeks 9-10 Test Sust 250 at 300 mgs per week


PHASE 2
8 week reload:

weeks 11-18 Test Sust 250 at 750 mgs per week (250 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 400 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 200mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

PHASE 3
4 week PCT:
week 19-23 Clomid 100/80/80/80
Nolva 40/20/20/20

What are your thoughts/critiques?


PS- Get well soon, it seems that you have a great number of people on here who are pulling for your recovery.

[Yellow]

Get Well Soon, Ron!
God Bless You Always, Brother...

[delta1111]

After scouring many different forums and reading all the information that I could soak up on the topic of both weightlifting and AAS I was left confused and with my head spinning from all the different opinions.

Ronnie when I came upon your sticky thread I read it with interest, but all of the citations and explanations that you provide gives me a great deal of confidence with what I read here. There seems to be no dissenting opinion on these boards about your expertise so with that in mind I thought I might post my proposed cycle (my second) and ask your thoughts.

I lift 4 times per week presently. I am looking solely to gain mass, and my diet is high protein, high fat, low carb while on reload, and higher carb lower protien and fat while on deload.

Day 1 Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 2 Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
Day 3 Alternate Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 4 Alternate Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday as rest days.

I do it this way instead of taking rest in between workout days because of the availability of my gym. I plan to use the 8 reload and 2 deload cycle that you describe for both my workouts and my AAS.

Suggestions?

My AAS cycle is as follows;



PHASE 1
8 week reload:
weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mgs per day
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1mg EOD

Weeks 5-8 Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

2 week deload:
weeks 9-10 Test Sust 250 at 300 mgs per week


PHASE 2
8 week reload:

weeks 11-18 Test Sust 250 at 750 mgs per week (250 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 400 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 200mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

PHASE 3
4 week PCT:
week 19-23 Clomid 100/80/80/80
Nolva 40/20/20/20

What are your thoughts/critiques?


PS- Get well soon, it seems that you have a great number of people on here who are pulling for your recovery.

So when do you train legs??

[nekidchickens]

So when do you train legs??

Every day in Muay Thai and Boxing classes. It's not weight lifting but there is so much concentration on my legs that I would burn them out if I had a full legs day as well.

[slimshady01]

Ronnie hope you hanging in there brother

[delta1111]

Every day in Muay Thai and Boxing classes. It's not weight lifting but there is so much concentration on my legs that I would burn them out if I had a full legs day as well.

Yes but you won't add mass your legs by doing Thai boxing like you will on your upper body doing weight lifting. You do realise that don't you?

[nekidchickens]

Yes but you won't add mass your legs by doing Thai boxing like you will on your upper body doing weight lifting. You do realise that don't you?

Yes, I won't gain much size to my legs that way. That is true. It is in the hundreds of squats, calf exercizes, repetative kicking and skipping that I get my workout. I am ok with my legs not getting much bigger. I just recognize that I wouldn't be able to survive my workouts if I had heavy legs days. They are pretty burned after my training.

[Tom Bodo]

all the best big ron!

[aspen2cody]

Wishing you quick recovery Ron, i too had a fusion (cervical) about 7 years ago. C5/C6. The first 3 months really was bad, but I came back strong, really strong. I was about 44 years old. I have never had any trouble with it since then with no restrictions. When you have time, I have a question for you. I am currently on TRT. I will be on it the rest of my life. Currently they are only giving me 100mg/week. I would like to add something to that regime during the reload. What protocol would you add to that? Another dose of Test or Deca any oral such as anavar? I would like to routinely add this booster every reload for the entire year. Since I will never be coming off the TRT, is there good protocol just to stay on year round instead of cycling on and off? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance. Being a 51 year old male looking to keep adding muscle and keeping a 6pack for the rest of my life.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm just now starting to feel well enough to start making some post again. I'll get back to answering questions sometime this week.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

[Gi812Many]

Hey Ronnie, just wanted to wish you a quick recovery...Looks like your feeling better from you last post. Wanted to let you know I have finished my 3rd 8 week cycle, starting my first week of my 3rd deload. I started at 196 lbs at 19.6 %bf at 6'3...Currently holding steady at 231lbs at 12.2% bf at the end of this cycle (thats a morning weigh in). Took me a while to break 226 obviously due to the reduction in bf This next cycle ive decided to add Deca to the cycle being I had a vial of it lying around and I used 250mgs/wkly with this last cycle. I was at a gram of Test E, 800mgs of Tren E, 250mgs Deca and 100mgs Anavar. So the next cycle I decided to do a gram of Test E, gram of Tren E, 500mgs of Deca and do you think 120mgs of Var will make that much of a deference? Im also on my 5th month of GH as well. Whats your thoughts.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ronnie, just wanted to wish you a quick recovery...Looks like your feeling better from you last post. Wanted to let you know I have finished my 3rd 8 week cycle, starting my first week of my 3rd deload. I started at 196 lbs at 19.6 %bf at 6'3...Currently holding steady at 231lbs at 12.2% bf at the end of this cycle (thats a morning weigh in). Took me a while to break 226 obviously due to the reduction in bf This next cycle ive decided to add Deca to the cycle being I had a vial of it lying around and I used 250mgs/wkly with this last cycle. I was at a gram of Test E, 800mgs of Tren E, 250mgs Deca and 100mgs Anavar. So the next cycle I decided to do a gram of Test E, gram of Tren E, 500mgs of Deca and do you think 120mgs of Var will make that much of a deference? Im also on my 5th month of GH as well. Whats your thoughts.

I'll be interested in what Ron says on this one too. I've done similar cycles at similar (even higher) doses. I know that anything over 100 mg of Var just gives me heartburn and with a gram of tren E (Yikes!!) that deca is going to be like a candle in the wind!! I usually leave it around 200 mg just for the joints. I also tend to roll that test right on up... I await the words of the Master!!

Excellent gains BTW.

[Gi812Many]

Titan, funny...I experienced the same thing for roughly a week and half on the 100mgs of Var. You think the gram of Tren is to much? Yah the gains have been great, been on point with eating. Still do not have the muscle structure like you have, along with the lower bf...I know it will come in time, considering where ive come in this past 7 months. What are your guys thoughts on say a year of slingshot, should I look at taking 4 weeks off with just a TRT dose or would I need to come off as a whole for a period of time?

[The Titan99]

Ron told me to take 4-6 weeks at TRT dose and it really helped a lot. I did STS for about 16 months and was doing close to 2 grams of test and almost 1300 mg of tren, 800 mg masteron, 100 mg Var at one point. Never had any bad sides, but just a lot of gear and pretty expensive. Went off for 6 weeks, just doing 250 mg sustanon 50 mg Proviron and came back with 700 test p/700 mg NPP/50 mg dbol and just made great progress. Also started HGH at the beginning of the 6 weeks off (probably helped too). Your right too, it's like geology, time and pressure makes a diamond. I just had hernia surgery so I'm off for 4 weeks, but after that it's smooth sailing I hope.

A gram of tren is a lot, but it's all a matter of individual bodies and how your body reacts to it. I've done some big doses with not a bit of acne, hair loss or even excess body hair but I have a buddy who gbets gyno just looking at a bottle of test... Who knows.... Well, Ron probably does, but who else?

[Gi812Many]

My gyno was pretty bad all the way in to my second 8 week. This last 8 week cycle it was minimal, thinking has to with reduced bf %. Was on both an AI and 20mgs of Nolvadex/daily, this past cycle no Nolvadex. My hair loss has been minimal until I did Masteron on my second 8 week cycle and it literally stopped growing, lol. Other than that, Tren has not been bad on me. Im running on my 5th month of GH, went up to 8 iu's for two months. Im moving to Finland from the states towards the end of April first of May, not 100% sure exact date. So ive had to cut back to 5 iu's to save some cash.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
i'm a 46 year old guy. When i was in my early 20's i started lifting weights. I did not take it very serious, meaning i had a girlfriend who was into bodybuilding so i joined the gym because she wanted me to. I did make some gains over a two year period but nothing to really speak about. Once the relationship expired so did the gym membership. I've always been active sports wise playing in football and basketball leagues unti about 30 years old. I also boxed for about a year when i was in my late teens. At 30 i pretty much started to let myself go for 13 years. At 43 years old i tipped the scales 296 lbs (5' 10") i was a fat old guy. My brother who was 2 years older than me died that year of a massive heart attack he weighed 340 lbs the day he died (5' 8"). So i decided the day he died that was it, i started eating better and working out with weights and doing cardio. 18 months later i weighed in at 194 lbs. i'm very sorry for the loss of your brother and congrats to you for losing the weight!!! my goal was to lose a 100 lbs and i did. Now for the past 18 months i've really been hitting the weights hard, using supplements, and trying to eat to grow. At 46 i'm stronger than ever (weight wise and cardio). My problem is as soon as i start to eat carbs (doesn't matter what kind) i begin to gain fat. I've never had a lean physic even at 18 (175lbs) when i boxed i did not have great abs. In fact 6 months ago my abs looked as good as they've ever looked at 194 lbs just because i actually train them now. I began to take in more calories and cut the cardio down a bit 6 months ago, and i've done 2 cycles because i wanted to gain some size and strength. It's working i'm getting bigger (225lbs today) and much stronger, but gaining fat also. I'm trying to achieve that thick, lean, hard look. I'm going to start using your reload/deload system right away. Can you give me some diet and/or training tips for a 46 year old guy that doesn't build lean mass easy. my suggestion to you is stick to 30 minutes of cardio 3 times per week because you are an endomorph. Keep clean carbs around 150-200 per day in the morning and pre-post workouts. Keep fats low as well. Consume them only for breakfast, and at night before going to bed (2 times daily). The rest of your diet is lean protein and I want you to consume a lot of green veggies 3-4 times daily- such as those steamer packs of green beans, broccolli, etc found in the frozedn section at local grocery store.. Just put them in the microwave and they are ready. You being an endomorph means you should never try and bulk up so to speak. Train with weights 4 times per weeek and skip the cardio on leg day. what kind of anabolics do you plan to use?[/b] thanks, mike.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

okay, i'm gonna run the 200mg/wk of tren ace at the beginning of my next reload along with the sus at 800mg/wk

i have never used a 19 nor before, so i don't know if i am prone to prolactin related sides or not. I will have caber on hand. My question is, should i run the caber right from the beginning? Or wait to see if prolactin sides occur? wait and use only if you get sides.

also, what are the early signs of prolactin sides? your sweat will have a foul odor, your nipples can lactate (have fluid seeping from them). Can't keep or get an erection.
thanks!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

i have been reading the last month about an hour to two hours a day trying to take in as much info as i can, most of it ends up being repeat but this was new to me. And makes alot of sense when you think about it.

you are correct in your thinking. Even the great leee haney just came out with an article in muscular development which is very similar to slingshot training. He learned those joints need a break after about 8 weeks or so of hard training and a deload is in order. Lee deloaded by reducing training volume to only 3 days per week.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron,
Been out of commission for about 10 weeks due to sickness misdiagnosed repeatedly. Ended up being an infected lymph node. They called it everything from a hernia to prostate cancer. Anyway, I was going to do a 2 week prime (had been blasting for 16 months and needed a break, but not like that) which is turning into a 10 week prime. Lost 30 lbs, dropped back to 250 mg of Sust per week and generally went from looking like my Avi to not (amazing how fast it goes when your not eating/training, huh?). Been doing GH 6 iu's a day which I believe saved what I have. Blood work is back and all g2g.

My question is should I start out with a deload type workout for 2 weeks (or longer?), then start my cycle (I'm thinking 50 mg test prop ed/ 500 mg sust per week/100 mg NPP ed/50 mg dbol ed. Or should I just go straight into the reload/cycle when I'm ready to go (I think Monday).

I just read in your previous reply to me that I should just run test only. Why is that? Because of my BP? I take my own BP daily. My BP only goes to about 148/85 when I was doing a gram of tren E at one point. Just wanted to clarify and if you say it I'll do it, your advise has been spot on since I first found this thread, but I like stacking various compounds and I've got a years supply of trestolone, tren, var, dbol, deca, npp, HGH as well as all manner of testosterone and was really looking forward to 260 lbs and 8% BF by next October. Also all blood work g2g. With a full year of blasting starting next week I feel a bit like a kid right before Christmas that can only play with one toy. That said, if your right, your right...

Thanks Ron, glad to be back.

Sorry but I wrote out a long detailed answer for you but my computer for some odd reason kicked me off the site as I was posting it. So I'll make it brief due to time restraints and you can ask more questions if needed...okay.. Start reloading and focus on GH and TEST since they are the safest.most effective and you are not competing and have had some health issues. D-bol 25 mgs daily I think is plenty due to you having high blood pressure and tren 300 mgs week is all I woud go. Deca at 200 mgs per week for joints is okay. You need to focus on form and not try and out do those young guys in the gym. Your joints can't take it!

[The Titan99]

Sorry but I wrote out a long detailed answer for you but my computer for some odd reason kicked me off the site as I was posting it. So I'll make it brief due to time restraints and you can ask more questions if needed...okay.. Start reloading and focus on GH and TEST since they are the safest.most effective and you are not competing and have had some health issues. D-bol 25 mgs daily I think is plenty due to you having high blood pressure and tren 300 mgs week is all I woud go. Deca at 200 mgs per week for joints is okay. You need to focus on form and not try and out do those young guys in the gym. Your joints can't take it!

Ha!! I feel like vI'm finally getting a hold on this thing!! That's exactly what I've been doing. Cut all AAS to 500 mg testp/400 mg Npp and 25 mg dbol and made HUGE gains. BP 138/85 all the way through. Switched to a 4 day split, cut sets, dropped weight and REALLY going for the squeeze and perfect form. I don't increase weight till I hit 15 perfect reps and with a 4 day split I take an extra day when I feel like I need it. Switched to 8 sets on Bi's and Tri's and gained an inch and a half on my arms in 8 weeks, 1 inch over all!! I think I was going for overload while cutting hard and that's why I was getting hurt.

Great to see you back Ron!! I just had hernia surgery and am back to 250 sust/25 mg Anavar till it heals. The Doc says no lifting for a month. What do you think? I think he's thinking of something else when he says lifting. I was thinking of doing 6 weeks off and doing a lot of cardio and dieting down, using the time as kind of a prime... What do you think?

[Bulkn]

Hey Ron, hope you have a good speedy recovery!
Now, I have developed a injury to my elbow. It started from doing seated overhead dumbell extensions (using both hands for one heavy dumbell) reps were kept between 10-14. I developed a slight pain just ontop of my elbow (i think it could be the tendon?) I thought it may have been a one off thing because i never usually get injuries but after a couple more weeks it was still there so i stopped doing this excercise. I could only feel it when i was training triceps but now i can feel it every time i use my tricep and even sometimes in the morning when i wake up its hard to fully extend my arm.
It sucks because im 5 weeks into my cycle! What do you think is the best thing to do? Should i not train triceps for a week or 2?
BTW i train bi's and tri's twice a week.
Also, when doing cable tricep movements, is it bad to fully extend (lock out) my tricep because i think i have been doing this when doing 1 arm cable pushdowns.

Thanks!

[Twolf20]

Ron, do you have any experience with HGH, and if so, how would you include this into your slingshot program? I ran a basic test e slingshot last fall as follows:

Weeks 1-8: 500mg
9-10: 250mg
11-18: 750mg
19-20 250mg
21-25 pct

I'm looking to start a new cycle with added compounds now that I have experience (three test e cycles, two for 12 weeks and one slingshot) and may include HGH. Thanks for your help.

[mjl65]

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Hey Ron, glad to see you're feeling better these days, and thankyou for responding. I'm currently on my second cycle of your load/deload system. I started the cycle with 250mg (one shot) of Test Cyp per week stacked with 150mg of Tren (two shots) per week. At four weeks I raised the dose up to 400mg of the Test and remained the same with the Tren, I start my 7 week Saturday. The only side affects I seem to be having are trouble sleeping at night, and a little acne, other than that I feel pretty good. From what I read on this thread I'm prob not using high enough dosages but I'm not looking to get on a stage at my age... just looking for self gratification. With that being said I train like I'm gonna get on a stage so I will do what it takes to reach my goal. I own my own company so I can devote my time in the gym (which I do faithfully). The fat I take in comes from fishoil/flaxseed (1,200mg) morning and night. 2 - 4 egg yolks per day with about a dozen whites per day, 1 tablespoon olive oil 2 times per day, and 1 tablespoon of peanut butter on a slice of wheat bread 2 - 3 times per week (prob too much fat). I stay away from fruit, and sugars and white anything. My carb sources are oatmeal, wheat bread, whole grain pasta, and sweet potatoes. I do take in some sugar in my yogurt snack, and skim milk 2 - 3 times per day. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have. Again, glad to see you're feeling better, wish you a strong recovery. Mike.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie....why does anadrol....deca...tren...decrease sex drive???????

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron,
been out of commission for about 10 weeks due to sickness misdiagnosed repeatedly. Ended up being an infected lymph node. They called it everything from a hernia to prostate cancer. Anyway, i was going to do a 2 week prime (had been blasting for 16 months and needed a break, but not like that) which is turning into a 10 week prime. Lost 30 lbs, dropped back to 250 mg of sust per week and generally went from looking like my avi to not (amazing how fast it goes when your not eating/training, huh?). yes it is amazing how fast you lose the muscle but it comes back pretty fast. I am losing muscle right now and it's no fun. I can't train heavy for at least 6 months and may not even be able to train light until then, well see!? I'm still in a whole lot of pain and on a lot of meds to take off the edge. Toughest thing i've ever had to endure in my lifetime. You guys take care of your lower backs while lifting! been doing gh 6 iu's a day which i believe saved what i have. Blood work is back and all g2g.

My question is should i start out with a deload type workout for 2 weeks (or longer?), then start my cycle (i'm thinking 50 mg test prop ed/ 500 mg sust per week/100 mg npp ed/50 mg dbol ed. Or should i just go straight into the reload/cycle when i'm ready to go (i think monday).

I just read in your previous reply to me that i should just run test only. Why is that? Because of my bp? I take my own bp daily. My bp only goes to about 148/85 when i was doing a gram of tren e at one point. Just wanted to clarify and if you say it i'll do it, your advise has been spot on since i first found this thread, but i like stacking various compounds and i've got a years supply of trestolone, tren, var, dbol, deca, npp, hgh as well as all manner of testosterone and was really looking forward to 260 lbs and 8% bf by next october. Also all blood work g2g. With a full year of blasting starting next week i feel a bit like a kid right before christmas that can only play with one toy. That said, if your right, your right...

Thanks ron, glad to be back.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,
its been over a month now since my pec surgery and physio says i can go back to training light in another 2 months. He suggested to train my right (sling) arm only to get muscle back after atrophy... What do you think? i think that will be fine
my plan is in 1-2 months to train the right arm only for a month everyday light weight low volume high reps (increaae protein too)
then after that train arms and delts only 3 times a week for 8 weeks high reps med weight (mon-wed-fr) 2 times per week is enough, even with high reps unless you are doing very low volume then 3 times per week is okay! and on these days take 20-30ius insulin while starting high dose aas again. 20 ius of insulin max per day and 10 ius at a time is the max you should do at any time
reason for this is because ive lost alot of muscle on arms and delts, been doing lots of bike cardio so legs still big and my back is my best part so not worried about that. i'm losing muscle due to recent my 4-level spine fusion. It's not easy watching yourself shrink. Let me know what you think
thanks ronnie.

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[kml999]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

i just posted this, but maybe you can help as well! Thanks!

My hubby and i started on a 24 week hgh cycle about 8 weeks ago.
In addition to this, the "doctor" put him on a 10 week cycle of test , as his levels were very low.

He is taking 1ml of test ciponate(20mg\ml) once a week, with a shot of b12. He also takes a .5mg of anasrtozole twice a week. Then, after the 10 weeks, the "doctor" gave him 50mg of clomiphene citrate and 11,000 of hcg .

I have been doing a lot of research, but as i am not into the "lingo" that the heavy lifters use, alot of it has gone over my head!

He is enjoying the effects that the test is having with his lifting(he is not a body builder, but lifts 3-5 times a week), and we are both enjoying the other effects the added test levels are having(wink wink!)

so my questions are...

Does all that he is taking sound kinda right?
If he wants to start another cycle of test , how long should he wait in between? karen, i would have him begin with a 20 week cycle of test. First 8 weeks do 500-750 mgs per week then after 8 weeks go back to 200-300 weekly for 2 weeks then go back on for another 8 weeks at 750-1000 per week then back off for 2 weeks using 2-300 weekly. Then go off higher dosages of test for 4-6 weeks. He could keep 200 mgs in there per week and still use hcg but i would not run the clomid during cycle as its best used when coming off steroids. Clomid can cause a male to become emotional like a female..!!! Keep the hcg in so his balls dont shrink and not everyone gets gyno (man boobs) while taking test. I am on hormone repla***ent therapy by an endocrinologist and it's never bothered my nipples. Some people are prone but many are not. Is he prone to gyno? Does he have painful nipples when running test? If not, then no worries!!!
i am trying to avoid going back to this "doctor" as the mark up on his product is huge(like 3 times!!), so...where can i get *************edit we can't ask for sources, ***** too many cops and scammers on these forums..obviously i do not deal in steroids-hence the reason i am not afraid to put my name and face out in the open. I have however had experiences in the past and currently help give advice to others
really, what i need is for someone to tell me exactly what you think he needs(the test and all the stuff so he doesnt get the man boobs and the tiny balls!)

thanks so much!

Karen

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[ricky23]

great to have you back Ronnie and hope you're feeling better. im going through a similar situation too! hard to take but we'll come back even better!
was talking with an aspiring pro who used to blast and cruise similar to STS but now just stays on high blast doses of test and tren or deca and rotates orals! 2 months on orals 1 month off. same with slin. (bloodwork not bad too!)
lots of studies showing receptors upregulate and turnover in the body contiuously but desensitization would have been my concern but no, said best gains hes made this way. comes off when he feels the need for a break could be after 9 months of staying on blast dose! done this for last 3 years. ups doses every 3 months or so but no cruise or deload! (only with training and food to allow more junk food and rest lol) throws in a fat loss period inbetween if needed!
got me interested and i found a study showing myostatin reaches baseline levels at the 20 week mark after the initial peak at 8 weeks. maybe cell proliferation is more constant this way? cant find any science to prove this method and doubt any studies would have similar considitions!
suppose no homeostasis as orals and slin is rotated and increases doses every 3 or 4 months.
what do you think? i dont think i would be able to stay on tren for 9 months lol

[Biker84]

This may have been answered some where and I misses it. But, does this training method apply for some one not using gear? should I just cut the reload in half. Instead of doing 8 weeks of reload just do 4 weeks before going into deload for 2 weeks.

Thank u in advance
M

[Razor]

"To recap: You use more training volume and take in more protein during your 8 week anabolic steroid cycles so you can get the most out of each cycle . This is your reload ! After the reload you begin deloading for 2 weeks by using less training volume, higher reps (12-15) less anabolics and taking in less protein so you can return to another 8 week anabolic cycle/reload 2 weeks later and make continued progress. The cycle continues (reload/deload/reload/deload/reload/deload,etc)"

Am I reading this right? you can do an 8 week cycle and then come off for 2 weeks for deload and then return to another 8 week cycle? Does not seem right. PCT takes at least 4 weeks,

[The Titan99]

"To recap: You use more training volume and take in more protein during your 8 week anabolic steroid cycles so you can get the most out of each cycle . This is your reload ! After the reload you begin deloading for 2 weeks by using less training volume, higher reps (12-15) less anabolics and taking in less protein so you can return to another 8 week anabolic cycle/reload 2 weeks later and make continued progress. The cycle continues (reload/deload/reload/deload/reload/deload,etc)"

Am I reading this right? you can do an 8 week cycle and then come off for 2 weeks for deload and then return to another 8 week cycle? Does not seem right. PCT takes at least 4 weeks,

It's actually 3 part cycle (4 if you count PCT). You reload 8 weeks, deload 2 weeks (You can drop all anabolics or drop all but 250 Test a week, see Sust./Cyp for instance wouldn't clear your system for 18 days, enth 14 day - 2 weeks etc), then reload for another 8 week while increasing AAS dose or possibly adding in an oral or whatever - 20 weeks in total, then deload while you wait for PCT then reload again during PCT. This will help you gain more muscle mass due to longer exposure to AAS as well as retain more of your gains increased training volume/protein intake during PCT. This also works if your blasting and cruising (ideal really). So basically Ron plans 20 week cycles with a deload period in between, hence the name Slingshot Training System.

And BTW, I never had gains like I have on this program. It's all I ever or will ever do from now on.

[Razor]

It's actually 3 part cycle (4 if you count PCT). You reload 8 weeks, deload 2 weeks (You can drop all anabolics or drop all but 250 Test a week, see Sust./Cyp for instance wouldn't clear your system for 18 days, enth 14 day - 2 weeks etc), then reload for another 8 week while increasing AAS dose or possibly adding in an oral or whatever - 20 weeks in total, then deload while you wait for PCT then reload again during PCT. This will help you gain more muscle mass due to longer exposure to AAS as well as retain more of your gains increased training volume/protein intake during PCT. This also works if your blasting and cruising (ideal really). So basically Ron plans 20 week cycles with a deload period in between, hence the name Slingshot Training System.

And BTW, I never had gains like I have on this program. It's all I ever or will ever do from now on.

Sounds good to me, Im going to do it too then

[Gi812Many]

It's actually 3 part cycle (4 if you count PCT ). You reload 8 weeks, deload 2 weeks (You can drop all anabolics or drop all but 250 Test a week, see Sust./Cyp for instance wouldn't clear your system for 18 days, enth 14 day - 2 weeks etc), then reload for another 8 week while increasing AAS dose or possibly adding in an oral or whatever - 20 weeks in total, then deload while you wait for PCT then reload again during PCT . This will help you gain more muscle mass due to longer exposure to AAS as well as retain more of your gains increased training volume/protein intake during PCT . This also works if your blasting and cruising (ideal really). So basically Ron plans 20 week cycles with a deload period in between, hence the name Slingshot Training System.

Im deloading with Test E.....

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, your thoughts on this please:

It's advised to run test lower than tren, because tren will bind quicker, therefore win for a spot on the androgen receptor. 19nor's, as in deca like compounds (the absence of the 19th carbon atom) makes it much slower to androgen reception (agonist) ...as compared to tren (antagonist). If you want to bump your test to 750mg, don't even bother with the tren at that point. You can effectively use 750mg test with a lower dose deca or any other 19nor compound. You'll just be wasting test if you run it over and above your tren dose. I don't agree that you should always use more tren than test because many do much better using a little tren and a lot of test because tren causes too many of side effects such as headaches, insomnia, irritability , sweating, cold chills, and asthma type symptoms. It all boils down to how much tren you are using per day and your genetics whether or not running higher amounts of test than tren is a waste. For instance if you are running a gram of tren per week then anything over a gram of test may do you no good because you only have so many receptors to activate. However, there are some who may take their test all the way to 2 grams or moer while running a gram of tren and make additional lean mass gains. I do not agree that tren kicks test out of the receptor site. If that be the case then tren would also kick d-bol and anadrol out of receptor sites and we know thats not the case because adding either of these two orals always provides some increased strength gains.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

Thanks for all of this great information.
I have been following your system for 10 months now and my stats have changed from

5"9 153lbs 15.5%bf to now 5"9 181lbs 8.5%bf

I am exactly where I set out to be and have achieved the physique of my own personal dreams. I have no desire to compete, I am just recreational but admittedly a vain indivisual and want to look great. I guess my question is there a method to simply maintain exactly where I am indefinitely? I do not want to grow and I do not want lose either. I simply want to stay right where I am at.

Any suggestions? In order to keep your gains you need to continue doing what you are currently doing. It's that simple. If you go off steroids you eventually lose almost all, if not all of those gains. The longer you use, the higher your odds are at keeping more muscle when coming off.

Thanks Keith

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Mr. Rowland if you would please help with a hypothetical question. What would you suggest for the second eight weeks for a early thirty year old male who is on trt that has done four cycles before? 5'11" 230 bf around 12% just statred first eight weeks with test e 1000mg tren e 400mg and dbol 60 mg all per week and all for the entire eights. Looking for size for this one aswell. Have fallowed your tread for two years now and couldn't be more impressed! Thank you for your time and advice! You could increase your test to 1500 mgs during 2nd 8 weeks or increase tren to 600. Go with the one that gives you the least side effects. Keep the d-bol in at 60 mgs daily.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, couple of questions,

Coming up on my 2nd deload in a 30 weeks blast. I was gonna extend this reload I'm currently on to 9 weeks so my deload falls during Xmas and I don't have to travel with gear. Would think that should be fine, right?yes

Second, I gotta say anyone who says the Decline Press doesn't build up your chest is kidding themselves. My chest was always underdeveloped and following your suggestion using the Decline Press as my first chest exercise for the past 5 reloads my chest has blown up! ha ha..it sure does! Now the only thing is I am 6'4" so I have a lot of upper chest area. I wanted to switch to the Smith Incline for my primary chest exercise for this next reload to see if I can't further develop that area. I would follow that with the decline but was wondering if I should stick with the BB decline or switch it up to DB Decline or does it matter? it does not matter whether you use a barbell or dumbbell for declines. I would suggest alternating back and forth between each exercise each week if you like them both.

Thanks Ron and I hope you and your family have a Happy Holidays!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Great thread Ronnie!

I am entering my 12th week of test E.
1-4 500mg test-E
1-4 50mg Anadrol
1-4 400 Deca

5-8 750mg test-E
5-8 600mg Deca

9-12 1000mg test-E
9-12 700mg Deca

My original plan was to run my standard 16 week cycle followed by PCT. I would like to deload to 300mg for the next 2 weeks and then back to 1200mg for 4 weeks, followed by 1500mg for 4 weeks. I understand that I am about 4 weeks past your recommended time frame, do you see any issues? IMO you should have ran a deca/test combo first then added drol the last 8 weeks of this cycle. Then do you recommend a 4 week deload with, or with out a proper PCT?If you do a 4 week deload go with PCT to remain fertile if you want kids in the future, if not just stick with 200-300 mgs of test per week.
6'5. 260. 13%.

I thank you for your time and knowledge!?

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

i ended my 16 week cut on nov1.

I ran 300 test 800 primo and var at 50mg that whole time.

Im getting ready to bulk on jan1 and might just do test, possible deca for joints.

Ive always ran 500-600mg and not anymore of test, sides dont seem apparent at either dose. Ive only done a normal 10 week cycle with those dosages and then a 16 week cut following your advice diet.

Jan 1 will be 2 months where i was only 200mg and 150 the last few weeks. "cruising"

but i was only 300 test for most of my cut as well.

My question is, should i go 600mg first reload then 900 second, "300mg test"

or 750mg then 1000mg. " go with 750 then 1000 weekly

also getting my getting a complete physical with bloods dec 27th before i start.

For joints could i run 150mg of deca a week "300mg deca" for the entire 2 reloads... Or no deca the first 8 and do 300 the last reload. just go with 200 first 8 weeks and 200mgs of deca weekly for second reload if its for joints problems.
thanks



update...

Labs came back perfect from physical!!

I decided to run in my first 8 week blast

test 750mg
deca 150mg for joints
xtren week 3-8 90mg a day "old ph i had laying around".

For second 8 week blast im thinking of.


Test 750 or 1000 "scared to to go to a gram" i want room to go up to that later.

Deca 500mg " not prolactin sensitive and i run caber 2x a week.


Thanks ronnie your cycle looks good!

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