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definitely not evil anymore...

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well had a decent back workout.. didnt go all out.. but i did 16 sets.. feeln draggish today.. think im havn low E2 issues.. yay!

[gbrice75]

u guys r gonna give me a big head LOL

seriously though where would yall estimate bf% at this point?

Pretty close to 10% if not already there

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Pretty close to 10% if not already there

Sweet thx..

[slfmade]

Lookin Good 405. So when are you starting your carb cycle?

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Lookin Good 405. So when are you starting your carb cycle?

Yesterday and thx.. I tell u im already anticipating thurs-sat and dreading it .. Ive been HUNGRY ALL THE TIME for the last several days.. Rite after i finish eating im already counting down to the next meal.. May get on ECA just for appetite suppression LOL..

I saw ur post rite after i sent u the message askn about it LOL.. sounds like we mite be able to work sumthn out.. Ill give it some thought and get bak to ya..

[Back In Black]

Mate, good definition in obliques/hip, upper abs coming in. Interesting to see the legs but I'd put you about 11% ish.

[Back In Black]

What is your cardio regimen for the carb cycle? Sorry, if you may have stated it elsewhere.

[-KJ-]

Looking sweet arm

[-KJ-]

Looking sweet bro :-) not good idea posting when doing fasted cardio

[Back In Black]

Looking sweet bro :-) not good idea posting when doing fasted cardio

Blimey, did you have a lie in? Isn't it 10.40 in the morning?

[-KJ-]

Blimey, did you have a lie in? Isn't it 10.40 in the morning?

Yeah bro not in work today so it was sweet :-)

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What is your cardio regimen for the carb cycle? Sorry, if you may have stated it elsewhere.

Well id plannd on doing fasted intervals:mon, tue, wed, moderate (150bpm) thu, fri, sat (low carb days) .. Im thinking now of maybe just sticking to 135-145 bpm.. This to keep my body from burning LBM..

I tell u something weird.. Since i increased my carbs to 150g (2days ago) my weight has dropped 4lbs.. Im currently 185lbs.. Also yesterday i drank 140oz water (ive re-established my water drinking regimen of 1gallon/day ) so maybe thats helpd me drop some water.. And also my estradiol i believe to be low which could have an effect on water i suppose.. Have legs today and i think im gonna go light (225lb sets).. Just to be easy on my joints...

[Back In Black]

Ha ha, told you carbs were good for you!

Yep on the cardio. Steady state only I'd be keeping the heart rate at about 130bpm if you can. Boring, I know, but the fasted intervals were only really to last a few weeks anyway.

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^^ roger that on the 130bpm

Just finished.. Figd id do 40mins/day.. Think i forgot to mention that.. Funny bout the carbs.. Too bad they dont have that same effect relative to quAntity eaten.. Wed all be happy campers!

[Back In Black]

Hopefully 40 minutes per day will show some good results.

The real problem with carbohydrates is that people normally eat a lot of fat with them and that is a recipe for disaster.

Personally, I'm not that big on carbs unless they have a lot of fat with them

[Back In Black]

I know you had other questions. I'm working on them.

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If you are seriously considering a thermogenic just make sure you do not take it after 2 PM in the afternoon or else you are unlikely to sleep.

I have tried ECA and clen and found clen to be far superior. It definitely made me jittery and I could feel the thermogenic effects as It raised my body temperature. If you can handle the sides then you will probably be in a position now where you can try it out.

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Hopefully 40 minutes per day will show some good results.

The real problem with carbohydrates is that people normally eat a lot of fat with them and that is a recipe for disaster.

Personally, I'm not that big on carbs unless they have a lot of fat with them

Wat do u mean "hopefully"? Up til now ive been doing 45 with good results.. Do u think now that im leaner its not gonna work as well??

[Back In Black]

Maybe the correct word should have been, should. You will, of course, find it much harder now to lose fat, As your body tries to retain as much as possible.

It will be interesting to see how doing it every day works in conjunction with the carb cycling.

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Me 2 .. Do most people not do it everyday??

I also am gonna hold off on the clen/eca .. Not a big fan of jacked up and shaky plus i dont think i need it.. Appear as though im continuing to lean out..

[Back In Black]

No mate, most people certainly do not do it everyday. Actually, if you'd had time after lifting I would have recommended HIIT over fasted LIC for the most part. I really only do 1 fasted cardio when cutting, and 3 PWO HIIT..

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gotcha.. well pwo cardio is not an option for me.. neither is pm cardio.. any other recommendations? u think 6x per week is too much? in reality itll prob be 5x/week.. i will be keeping close eye on lbm and bf%.. i suppose if it becomes a prob i could get up and have a protein shake with oats mixd in.. but itll be like 60secs before i start..

[Back In Black]

No mate, we all have certain time conscrictions. Go with the plan!

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goin with the plan hoping to try the yorkshire pudding soon.. my wife made some protein/oatmeal chocolate balls that r pretty good.. they have peanut butter in them also.. mainly for our daughter but i tried a bite last nite... gonna figure up the macros today.. have 60% cacao choc in them .. which is actually not too bad for u as far as chocolate goes

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i tell u guys one thing.. im freaking
HUNGRY!!!

all the time lately!! its kinda frustrating.. tonite i workd out late cuz im workn late and my pwo meal is the last meal i get carbs in til sunday and i left my dang oatmeal on the dad gummit counter!!!! im thinking ill just have them before bed but i dunno.. i substituted cottage cheese into my shake (which was a first and not bad) and figd id just have the oats before bed when i would usually have the cottage cheese.. not sure if this is the best way to go about it but ill be hitting my macros so what the heck.. but anyways after the pwo shake i was still starving so i went ahead and had my chk breast and broccoli too and im still hungry

i dont know wats going on.. ive been cutting for almost 5 months with no probs too bad of persistent hunger then all of a sudden i cant get enuff food???

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had decent legs workout too.. 12 sets squats x 225 except 2 warmup sets with 135 and 185.. woulda gone heavier but i seem to have to alternate weeks of heavy and not so heavy cuz my groin gets tender..

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Ok well like i did in the beginning since this is a beginning again of my carb cycle ill post total daily macros at the end of each day.. So..

Total daily macros: 2396/316P/146C/46F

Intended macros: 2259/291/154/41

The reason i went over was cuz of hunger.. So i ate an additional 1whole egg and 5 eggwhites.. Helpd alot! I fig if anything to go over on that was prob the least damaging.. Would appreciate input.. Tomorrow will tell the tale .. Low carb day#1.. 1800cals .. Am i up to the challenge? see yall tomorrow..

[slfmade]

i tell u guys one thing.. im freaking
HUNGRY!!!

all the time lately!! its kinda frustrating.. tonite i workd out late cuz im workn late and my pwo meal is the last meal i get carbs in til sunday and i left my dang oatmeal on the dad gummit counter!!!! im thinking ill just have them before bed but i dunno.. i substituted cottage cheese into my shake (which was a first and not bad) and figd id just have the oats before bed when i would usually have the cottage cheese.. not sure if this is the best way to go about it but ill be hitting my macros so what the heck.. but anyways after the pwo shake i was still starving so i went ahead and had my chk breast and broccoli too and im still hungry

i dont know wats going on.. ive been cutting for almost 5 months with no probs too bad of persistent hunger then all of a sudden i cant get enuff food???

Not trying to push it on you or anything; I know you decided against it, but (if you didn't know) this is another way that clen or ECA can help A LOT. I used to practically have to force feed myself after taking ECA. Clen works too for appetite suppression, but I found ECA to be more superior in regards to this aspect.

[Back In Black]

Mate, your body will get more p1ssed off yet. It knows you have been starving it for months and it ain't happy. Do you like celery? You could munch on a bit of that here and there. Drinking more water should help. Also sweet potatoes should be slower digesting than your yam as they have a starch that tries to resist digestive enzymes. Swap your coffee for green tea too.

Earlier, when you said you felt jiggly, can you explain? Do you mean the fat on you belly feels soft and loose and watery? Or something else.

[Papiriqui]

Mate, your body will get more p1ssed off yet. It knows you have been starving it for months and it ain't happy. Do you like celery? You could munch on a bit of that here and there. Drinking more water should help. Also sweet potatoes should be slower digesting than your yam as they have a starch that tries to resist digestive enzymes. Swap your coffee for green tea too.

Earlier, when you said you felt jiggly, can you explain? Do you mean the fat on you belly feels soft and loose and watery? Or something else.

I think he meant jittery as in shaky due to thermogenics

[Back In Black]

I think he meant jittery as in shaky due to thermogenics

Welcome back camper!

A couple of pages back after his MASSIVE cheat (j/k) on his daughter birthday he definitely said he was getting jiggly with it. Or sumthin'.

[Papiriqui]

Welcome back camper!

A couple of pages back after his MASSIVE cheat (j/k) on his daughter birthday he definitely said he was getting jiggly with it. Or sumthin'.

Hahahaha glad to be back!! Had to paddle so much on that river that even though i ate like crap i dis not gain a pound lol

Yeah 405 likes to jiggle jiggle hahahaha

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^^yeh slf funny u mention that cuz ive dun EC stack before and know what ur talkn bout.. Main prob is it makes me feel like u said "on crack" and kinda makes me a bit anxious.. A feeling i gave up several yrs ago along with a certain lifestyle.. I appreciate the info though and if my hunger gets too bad i may reconsider.. As far as the clen i havent researchd it.. May chek it out.. Is it a script drug?

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Dang u guys typed all that while i was typing my first post today.. After i submitted it i thought i hit the wrong button or somethin.. I was thinkin "is this my thread still"? LOL

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Yeh i meant jiggly.. That was last week .. Ive been drinking alot of water and thats over now.. Drinking about 5liters per day.. Lookn leaner each morning.. abs r showin up little by little..

Celery huh?? I like celery ok.. Funny ill look like one of those 70's women dieters carrying around a bag of celery.. The only thing missing will be the "Tab" LOL..

Wat did u think of my additional 1egg/5whites thing stem? 2400 still puts me 700below tdee..

[Back In Black]

Yeh i meant jiggly.. That was last week .. Ive been drinking alot of water and thats over now.. Drinking about 5liters per day.. Lookn leaner each morning.. abs r showin up little by little..

Celery huh?? I like celery ok.. Funny ill look like one of those 70's women dieters carrying around a bag of celery.. The only thing missing will be the "Tab" LOL..

Wat did u think of my additional 1egg/5whites thing stem? 2400 still puts me 700below tdee..

As your bf gets lower the fat starts to feel different, almost loose. I believe I can feel my fat cells when my bf is low enough! Some people may refer to it as jiggly. It's a good thing.

Re: the bold - honestly? I would, at this stage, consider it a cheat, sorry. Going outside the parameters of your diet is just that. You will be having factored in high carb days so that should be enough to avoid any king of 'cheating'. Having said that, this is your first week on a new diet so I'll let you off. May have been an idea to take a week of moderate carbs before you started the cycle but no biggy.

Mate, you'll need an awesome wig and your old moobs back to look like a 1970's woman!

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U said "the bold" but i see no bold.. Im guessing u were referring to my egg solution as being a cheat? Ur a tuff coach SteM!!

Duly noted and eggs r droppd ...

Def dont want the moobs bak LOL...

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Yeah I meant the 'extras'! Mate, if you do that every time you are hungry..........

Hear you on the moobs mate, keep 'em away.

As for clen, not prescription for your needs, more of a 'research chemical'!

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well so far so good on the low carb day.. man i tell u the HIIT session i just finished was great! went to the park..it is sunny and breezy and SteM the temp is 28 celsius! got it in good.. my legs were telling on me the last 30meters of each sprint though.. did 10 sprints and warmed up with 1/2mile run.. awesome.. and my legs actually feel almost as if i worked them out today!