I think some of you are missing the point of the post. If you are able to gain 25lbs of muscle on a cycle, it's saying you were obviously nowhere near your genetic potential when you started. People who train for years (decades in some cases) prior to using anabolics typically dont see these types of gains. As Lovebyts mentioned earlier, if this were the case we would all be 2 cycles away from a Pro Card. The other thing I agree with, although not articulated as well is the importance of putting in your time prior to experimenting with AAS. So many people jump on prior to mastering their diet and training that the drugs become a crutch for them. They never learned how to break through a plateau with hard work or manipulation of diet and training. Before long the answer to everything becomes higher dosages or adding more to the mix.

I would advise anyone who ever wants to compete in this sport to compete as a natural athlete for a year or two MINIMUM first. Learn how grow with proper training and diet, learn how to get your bodyfat to 5% without the use of AAS, Clen, T3 and so on. So many people are looking for the shortcuts and grossly underestimate what they are capable of doing if they would just put in the work.