Total newb, was given anadrol.

[Kawaboy]

Ok so I'm interested in doing "gear" Im not looking to use for a long time or get as big a house, my goal is to be about 10-15 lbs heavier then lean out and maintain bodyweight. (I know 10-15 doesnt sound like much but ive got a small frame and for me it would be a huge gain, im not prone to gaining fast it would take me over a year to add 5 lbs of muscle naturally
Well a buddy gave me some anadrol about 7 little green pills and said to take one a day and see if I like it, well obviously im not going to do that without looking at what im taking which is how I ended up here. So far i've come to the conclusion that it would be dangerous to Just take the pills. Also im under the impression that it will be a waste as any gains from taking anadrol alone will diassapear like cupcakes around fat chicks as soon as I stop taking.

I know theres alot of info on here but truth be told I never learn shit from reading these kind of this and am better off with someone who knows thier shit explaining this to me in laymans terms... I don't mind providing stats but would prefer to share with someone who is serious about helping me and not throwing out generic responses
thanks

(added Info
I know I'm not a big dude nor have I reached my natural potential but keep in mind I don't want to be as big as I can I just want a little boost to get where Im happy with my bodyweight.

Height 5'4"
Age 24
B/W 135
Been "working out" for a long time but the last time I worked out seriously was probably 4 years ago I stopped for a few years and came back seriously about a month and a half ago (ive had 2 surgerys on my knee and kind of forgot about lifting for a while)
Ive been doing Rippetoes Starting Strength for about a month now just trying to lift as heavy as I can and get my big lifts up
Not sure if you need this but to give you and idea of where im at physically
current/highest lifts ive done
squat 3x5 - 210
Bench 3x5-170
Deadlift 1x5-205
Press 115 3x5

My diet I basically eat everything I can, I try to keep it clean but I usually end up scarfing down everything I can find. Im pretty lean so I don't worry to much about what im eating but the majority is good quality food whole food, protien/gatorade around workouts
Anything else I should post?

[gixxerboy1]

would need the stats before can give advice

[Kawaboy]

Trying to pm you not sure how but I can just post here if your still checking this post

[marcus300]

You can't pm yet you need more post.

Please post your stats and how long you been training for

[Razor]

Ok so I'm interested in doing "gear" Im not looking to use for a long time or get as big a house, my goal is to be about 10-15 lbs heavier then lean out and maintain bodyweight. (I know 10-15 doesnt sound like much but ive got a small frame and for me it would be a huge gain, im not prone to gaining fast it would take me over a year to add 5 lbs of muscle naturally
Well a buddy gave me some anadrol about 7 little green pills and said to take one a day and see if I like it, well obviously im not going to do that without looking at what im taking which is how I ended up here. So far i've come to the conclusion that it would be dangerous to Just take the pills. Also im under the impression that it will be a waste as any gains from taking anadrol alone will diassapear like cupcakes around fat chicks as soon as I stop taking.

I know theres alot of info on here but truth be told I never learn shit from reading these kind of this and am better off with someone who knows thier shit explaining this to me in laymans terms... I don't mind providing stats but would prefer to share with someone who is serious about helping me and not throwing out generic responses
thanks

Run from the hills from that stuff, its not for beginners and is very toxic. Post some information about yourself, training exp, height, weight, and how long you been training and your age.

[Blergs]

Ok so I'm interested in doing "gear" Im not looking to use for a long time or get as big a house, my goal is to be about 10-15 lbs heavier then lean out and maintain bodyweight. (I know 10-15 doesnt sound like much but ive got a small frame and for me it would be a huge gain, im not prone to gaining fast it would take me over a year to add 5 lbs of muscle naturally
Well a buddy gave me some anadrol about 7 little green pills and said to take one a day and see if I like it, well obviously im not going to do that without looking at what im taking which is how I ended up here. So far i've come to the conclusion that it would be dangerous to Just take the pills. Also im under the impression that it will be a waste as any gains from taking anadrol alone will diassapear like cupcakes around fat chicks as soon as I stop taking.

I know theres alot of info on here but truth be told I never learn shit from reading these kind of this and am better off with someone who knows thier shit explaining this to me in laymans terms... I don't mind providing stats but would prefer to share with someone who is serious about helping me and not throwing out generic responses
thanks

Like you know now anadrol only is not best way top go about this.
also use of steroid shuts down your natty testosterone production, so thats one of a few reasons to always have testosterone as a base to all cycles.
if not just a hrt amount (100-200mg ew) or an actual cycle amount (400-600mg ew).
what do i mean?
well for eg if you where to do anadrol it would be as follows:
wk1-4 50mg anadrol ed
wk1-14 500mg teste ew
wk15-19 PCT (20mg nolva or 50mg clomid ed for 4 weeks)
AI on hand to deal with estrogen issues if they come.

take it slow and keep reading.
glad to have you here.

[true625]

ok people im 22 years old i weigh 155 pounds and i stand 5 ft 10 in and im basically all muscle but im still small....ive been working out for about 2 years and im at a stoping point! ive never been a big guy and it took me 2 years to get a "little bit" of muscle! im trying some stuff called tren 100 that i ordered from stacklabs.com and i had the stuff tested and its nothing more than herbs and JUNK basically! it contains 2mg of dhea which isnt enough to bulk up a piss ant! i just want "real" results real fast can anyone please lend me a helping hand!!!???

[Kawaboy]

I know I'm not a big dude nor have I reached my natural potential but keep in mind I don't want to be as big as I can I just want a little boost to get where Im happy with my bodyweight.

Height 5'4"
Age 24
B/W 135
Been "working out" for a long time but the last time I worked out seriously was probably 4 years ago I stopped for a few years and came back seriously about a month and a half ago (ive had 2 surgerys on my knee and kind of forgot about lifting for a while)
Ive been doing Rippetoes Starting Strength for about a month now just trying to lift as heavy as I can and get my big lifts up
Not sure if you need this but to give you and idea of where im at physically
current/highest lifts ive done
squat 3x5 - 210
Bench 3x5-170
Deadlift 1x5-205
Press 115 3x5

My diet I basically eat everything I can, I try to keep it clean but I usually end up scarfing down everything I can find. Im pretty lean so I don't worry to much about what im eating but the majority is good quality food whole food, protien/gatorade around workouts
Anything else I should post?

[gixxerboy1]

Like you know now anadrol only is not best way top go about this.
also use of steroid shuts down your natty testosterone production, so thats one of a few reasons to always have testosterone as a base to all cycles.
if not just a hrt amount (100-200mg ew) or an actual cycle amount (400-600mg ew).
what do i mean?
well for eg if you where to do anadrol it would be as follows:
wk1-4 50mg anadrol ed
wk1-14 500mg teste ew
wk15-19 PCT (20mg nolva or 50mg clomid ed for 4 weeks)
AI on hand to deal with estrogen issues if they come.

take it slow and keep reading.
glad to have you here.

glad to see you give advice with out stats. And wrong advice on top of it. Your pct info is all wrong. Please dont post if your not sure the answer

[havehotasianwife]

ok people im 22 years old i weigh 155 pounds and i stand 5 ft 10 in and im basically all muscle but im still small....ive been working out for about 2 years and im at a stoping point! ive never been a big guy and it took me 2 years to get a "little bit" of muscle! im trying some stuff called tren 100 that i ordered from stacklabs.com and i had the stuff tested and its nothing more than herbs and JUNK basically! it contains 2mg of dhea which isnt enough to bulk up a piss ant! i just want "real" results real fast can anyone please lend me a helping hand!!!???

age: too young
weight/height: you haven't remotely reached your genetic potential
advice: have you checked the nutritional resource section yet? its amazing what proper diet will do. and with you being a younger guy, you still have lots of T being produced. why not use whats free being created by your body, then when your 25/older you'll have tons of info from this forum and be ready to start your cycle?

[true625]

with all due respect thats not what i want to hear! im going to do a cycle i just dont know what i need to use! could you give me useful advice please

[true625]

i eat properly and all of that and i still dont get much gain.....

[Kawaboy]

not to be rude but why are u posting in my thread? Open another bro

[true625]

i work out everyday....i eat hella protein and drink hella protein shakes and creatine....im on a great diet...(lots of protein and carbs, amino acids ect) my diet isnt the problem i just have a really small frame and i need to get it BIG

[Kawaboy]

Seriously.... New threads are free. No charge

[true625]

yea ill open another but next time dont be a dick head "bro"

[gixxerboy1]

Seriously.... New threads are free. No charge

lol...

[mikepal88]

Seriously.... New threads are free. No charge

Lmao, I know this isn't helping you kawa, but that post was jus to funny not to simply say to you , well done. Well done

[Bonaparte]

Seriously.... New threads are free. No charge

I was going to chime in, but I see you handled the thread-jacker appropriately. lol

[Kawaboy]

Lol, sorry didn't mean to be a dick but I wanted you to get the message
I hope this doesnt seem too lame but im going to post a pic to show that I do have some development in my physique, too me it sounds like nobody would consider a guy thats 135 Lbs too be a candidate to take somthin and would simply say bulk up.
Most people guess my weight to be about 150 so I look bigger than I actually am but I still have that skinny look when not flexing which is what im trying to get rid of, hence looking into gear. I would like to do a cycle that will help me put on (and keep) about 10 solid pounds, but hopefully avoid any damaging side effects.

[Kawaboy]

So any advice? So far I think all Ive gotten was don't take anadrol lol, Was kind of hoping for a little more to get me started

[Kawaboy]

Nobody has any input?

[upperhandy]

i'm not going to give you any advice, specifically anyway, on what/how to cycle.... but you obviously need to do some research on your own, and i will give you a push in the right direction.

aas are not a magic bullet, if you don't have your diet down to a "tee" then you will lose all of the gain you make on cycle rather quickly, so be sure you have that totally squared away. so be sure to watch the nutrition videos i will link you to.

from your pic it looks like you've got a decent workout routine/work ethic but if you're looking to bulk, be sure you are doing a bulking workout routine

here are the links you should check out------>here is the info

[Kawaboy]

Thx for the links I'm searching through it now, you mentioned that I should be doing a "BULKING" routine, could you post some examples of somthing you feel I would benifit more from than the Rippetoe workout?
I have to say doing the workout im on my strength has gone up alot which Im very happy with but my ultimate goal is to get bigger so if you feel I would benefit more from somthing else please share.

I do have a pretty good handle on my diet, I just don't sit down and count calories I eat whatever I can afford/feel like and try to make sure im getting more than enough of everything.
For example my breakfast today and most days was oatmeal, eggs, bagle with almond butter, coffee W milk, 2% Milk
Meal 2 was protien shake, sweet potatoe,2% Milk.
Supper would be osmthing like 2 chicken breasts 2% milk sweet potatoe...
or maybe even an entire rack of ribs and some milk lol, I do eat more fat that I probably should I won't lie somtimes if Im on the run I just eat cheeseburgers from mcdonalds but thats mostly because im a little strapped for cash and can't afford am ore healthy option likea potatoe and grilld chicken burger but with my bodytype I can afford to eat.

I will be eating alot more clean food and upping the ammount I eat when I get back to work and can afford to eat better quality food like chicken breasts.

So do most guys feel that Im not going to benefit from taking roids right now?

[upperhandy]

the rippetoe workout is okay... there are many other examples out there.... check out the workout section....(when i said bulking workout routine what i meant, basically, was heavy weights, low reps, with plenty of rest between sets... )

your diet definitely needs some work.... check out those videos i posted for the basics on nutrition.... you should be eating 6 times a day at a minimum

if you get your diet squared away you will explode.... i guarantee it

you said you don't sit down and count calories.... but that is what it takes to grow.... you need the same discipline (if not more) in your diet as you have in your workout routine!

[Kawaboy]

well I do eat 5-6 times a day I just posted an basic idea of what my meals look like but thats just a quick example. In reality there would be a pre workout / post workout shake of protien/Gatorade and a post workout meal usually some lean mean and carbs, and bedtime meal is usually a half to a whole container of cottage cheese on W/W crackers.

I am on my first run through the rippetoe workout and almost stalled on most of my lifts so I was planning to reset the entire program do it at least one more time and work my way back up and see if Im still getting improvement off of it. I have found that my body responds very well to heavy compounds...
Does anyone have any recommendations on what I should do after Rippetoe once ive got my strength up to switch and focus on gaining some real size?

[upperhandy]

yeah... but you really need an accurate count of your calories, and consistency in your diet. do you know your BMR? TDEE? are you eating above your maintenance calories? are you eating at least 2g protein per lb of body weight? what is your macro split?

these are just a couple of questions to get you on the right path.... watch those videos!


there are an infinite number of workouts.... it's up to you to decide what works for you and what you enjoy... here is just one example.... this can be run as a three day split... i have done that with good results

Workout1:
Chest- bench press, incline press, pullovers
Back- Chin ups(as many sets as it takes to get 50), bent over rows
deadlifts 3 sets of 10 6 4 reps
Abs-crunches 5 sets 25 reps

Workout 2
Shoulders- clean and press, dumbell lateral raises
heavy upright rows 3 sets 10,6,4
push presses 3 sets of 6,4,2
upper arm- standing barbell curls, seated dumbell curls close grip bench, standing tricep extensions
forearms- wrist curls, reverse wrist curls
Abs- reverse crunches, 5 sets of 25 reps

Workout 3
Thighs-squats,lunges, leg curls
Calves-standing calf raises- 5 sets of 25 reps
lower back
straight leg deadlifts 3 sets of 10,6,4
good mornings 3 sets of 10,6,4
abs crunches 5 sets of 25 reps

[Ashop]

I dont think a newbie is ready for ANADROL. There are much better options.

[Pawew]

been on ss for 6 weeks and you think youre ready? come on mate, make yourself a promise i made myself when i started working out:

research and read up on AAS for at least a year. know, everything there is to know. be informed in what to do if any kind of sides appear. be able to recite in your head what does what and generally you must have that "feel" that you cun pluck out any information on AAS at will, because thats how informed you have to be.

then you are ready.

being of age and having a proper base is implied in above statement, but im reminding you of it.

[sleepingz]

i know it sounds stupid, but i 'scared' myself into waiting to do steroids, and i found it easy to do that fully understanding the side effects and how certain chemicals interact with each other, i think its relativly easy to scare yourself with it when you understand that sides are real, otherwise everyone would be on em.

i was 26 when i first did them, and that was before i really started on this site and knowing about the 25 'rule'

anadrol not the best choice, very toxic, i believe its been linked to liver cancer at high/extended doses, and please dont 'try' a steroid and see if you like it, lol this stuff aint ice cream dude... plus that guy sounds like a douche tryin to make money of you,

[Kawaboy]

So what would a first cycle look like for my weight and how much can I expect to gain and keep?, I would prefer to avoid injections and I don't plan to use for long term I want to add about 10-15 lbs and keep it then Im going to maintain/strength train

[havehotasianwife]

We did give you advice...

Goto walmart and buy anabolic chicken. Tren 100 oatmeal, sustanon 250 olive oil. ...

Dont worry about injection.. Those are all orals..

[fukngruvn]

^^lol.

what it boils down to is if you aren't ready/willing to inject, then you aren't ready for AAS. basically all cycles have test as a base. this is necessary for a host of reasons that you can read about in the stickies.

[fukngruvn]

also, if you can't gain weight WITHOUT AAS, you will not be able to keep any weight you gain from AAS. no point spending the money on joose, only to loose all the weight you gained within 4 months. just so you can be sure you are doing everything right, try posting your complete diet up in the nutrition section and have a VET critique it. if it isn't on par, take the money you would have spent on gear and apply it to more/better foods. good luck!

[BBrian]

You have a great shredded physique to start out with. Your abs in particular are very impressive, and it's clear that you've been walking in the right direction so far, but in order to make the changes you want, and most importantly, to keep them, you need to take the advice in regards to diet mentioned here to heart. I thought that I was eating right too, until I finally sat down and started tracking my macros. What I found was that I was very, very wrong. You need to start by calculating your daily caloric intake needed to gain weight, break down those calories into protein/carbohydrates/fat (keeping in mind that you should be taking in 1.25 - 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, and adjust accordingly as you gain weight), then calculate these macros throughout the day, every day. Once you do that, I think that you're going to be very surprised not only at how poorly you had previously perceived your diet, but also at how much lean muscle mass you will begin to gain after several weeks of doing this. So, that is the first step. In regards to what your first cycle should consist of, stick with testosterone only for your first cycle. Do not use the Anadrol, that is one of the most powerful steroids available and should not be used by the novice steroid user. Your friend had the best intentions when he gave them to you, but his intentions are clouded by a serious lack of knowledge surrounding that compound. I would recommend injecting 400mg of testosterone enanthate per week, split up into two injections; one injection every Monday morning, and the other every Thursday evening. I would do this for 12 weeks, accompanied with 0.25 - 0.5 mg of Arimidex every three days to prevent Estrogen from reaching an undesired level in your body, and most importantly get your PCT compounds (Clomid and Nolvadex) in-hand before starting. You need to research PCT (Post Cycle Therapy), AI (Aromatase Inhibitor), and HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) thoroughly as well. These are all of the things that complete a cycle of Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids.

[Kawaboy]

You have a great shredded physique to start out with. Your abs in particular are very impressive, and it's clear that you've been walking in the right direction so far, but in order to make the changes you want, and most importantly, to keep them, you need to take the advice in regards to diet mentioned here to heart. I thought that I was eating right too, until I finally sat down and started tracking my macros. What I found was that I was very, very wrong. You need to start by calculating your daily caloric intake needed to gain weight, break down those calories into protein/carbohydrates/fat (keeping in mind that you should be taking in 1.25 - 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, and adjust accordingly as you gain weight), then calculate these macros throughout the day, every day. Once you do that, I think that you're going to be very surprised not only at how poorly you had previously perceived your diet, but also at how much lean muscle mass you will begin to gain after several weeks of doing this. So, that is the first step. In regards to what your first cycle should consist of, stick with testosterone only for your first cycle. Do not use the Anadrol, that is one of the most powerful steroids available and should not be used by the novice steroid user. Your friend had the best intentions when he gave them to you, but his intentions are clouded by a serious lack of knowledge surrounding that compound. I would recommend injecting 400mg of testosterone enanthate per week, split up into two injections; one injection every Monday morning, and the other every Thursday evening. I would do this for 12 weeks, accompanied with 0.25 - 0.5 mg of Arimidex every three days to prevent Estrogen from reaching an undesired level in your body, and most importantly get your PCT compounds (Clomid and Nolvadex) in-hand before starting. You need to research PCT (Post Cycle Therapy), AI (Aromatase Inhibitor), and HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) thoroughly as well. These are all of the things that complete a cycle of Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids.

Great post, thanks
I'll be doing some reading on all of this. Also I think I will try to keep a logbook of what I eat for the next little while, although i'm positive I eat more than enough protien/carbs and good fats to gain weight.
i've always worked out but i've only been really giving getting bigger/stronger all my attention for about the last month and a bit. And since i've been eating properly and not missing workouts and adding weight every session my strength has gone up alot and Im definatly looking bigger already, I know I have lots of room to grow naturally but I don't personally feel that I shouldn't consider using a cycle to help out and to get where I want quicker, obviously If/when I do, I want to do it right and safe so I appreciate the info.

[upperhandy]

Great post, thanks
I'll be doing some reading on all of this. Also I think I will try to keep a logbook of what I eat for the next little while, although i'm positive I eat more than enough protien/carbs and good fats to gain weight.
i've always worked out but i've only been really giving getting bigger/stronger all my attention for about the last month and a bit. And since i've been eating properly and not missing workouts and adding weight every session my strength has gone up alot and Im definatly looking bigger already, I know I have lots of room to grow naturally but I don't personally feel that I shouldn't consider using a cycle to help out and to get where I want quicker, obviously If/when I do, I want to do it right and safe so I appreciate the info.

why don't you go over to livestrong and enter in all of the food you ate today into their calorie counter....

then post the results here... i would guess that you will be surprised with the results.... normally, until people become obsessive about their diet, they end up being calorie deficient