Fasted cardio while bulking?? Opinions

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Hey all,
Stats
32
5'7"
187
9-10%bf.

Just finished a cutting cycle and sliding right into a bulk or lean bulk however people want to phrase it now..lol.
Just wondering people's opinions in fasted cardio while bulking? I still think its a good idea for heart health and overall wellness. I'm looking at doing 30-40 min 3-4 times per week at a nice slow steady state. Keeping heart rate around 115-120 tops.
Peoples opinions on this seem to differ big time. Some say it's a good idea others say little or nomcardiomwhile bulking. I understand ur bulking but ur not trying to get fat either. I believe there is a big difference in the two.
Curious on everyone's input on this??

Thanks

[Back In Black]

Honestly if you want to use cardio for cardio vascular purposes do some PWO HIIT for 10 mins 3x pw. LIC will do jack for your heart at that low a range you stated.

Even maintains I see no need for fasted cardio unless it's the only time you can do it. Even then I would be looking at some kind of HIIT/LIC combo.

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So Stem, do you think that fasted cardio should be done only when cutting? In you thread, you said you only do it once a wk. And you dropped that session since you switched to maintence. So you don't think fasted cardio should be done at any time except when cutting? Sorry for barging into this thread.

[Turkish Juicer]

I'm looking at doing 30-40 min 3-4 times per week at a nice slow steady state. Keeping heart rate around 115-120 tops.

How is this fasted cardio then?

[Back In Black]

So Stem, do you think that fasted cardio should be done only when cutting? Not necessarily just when cutting and not necessarily when cutting at all In you thread, you said you only do it once a wk. I start work at 6am so it was never possible to do it more often than that And you dropped that session since you switched to maintence. Because I prefer to do a post lifting HIIT cardio session than HIIT fasted or even LIC fasted, I get more out of it So you don't think fasted cardio should be done at any time except when cutting? If it's what fits into your schedule then it may be that you have to do cardio first thing. Whether that needs to be fasted or not is up for debate. It depends partly on your stats, your goals, difficulty and length of session etc. Too many variables for a simple answer. Sorry for barging into this thread.

Occasionally during maintenance or bulk I'll do fasted cardio. But only if I can't get it in during the day, preferably post lifting.

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Occasionally during maintenance or bulk I'll do fasted cardio. But only if I can't get it in during the day, preferably post lifting.

oh, ok. thanks. my mistake. i thought and deduced from your statements that maybe there were some scientific reasons. but mostly its convenience and personal preference? i started trying fasted cardio recently, about 40min 4-5x/wk, and really liked it. but got worried after seeing your statements. didnt want to do anything that might be detrimental.

so it looks like i am safe to continue.

thanks again.

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How is this fasted cardio then?

do you mean that the intensity is too low?

[Back In Black]

I firmly believe that post lifting HIIT is far more beneficial than fasted LIC so, from a scientific point of view, yes, there is a reason. PWO HIIT 3x pw will,IMO, do you more good than 5 days of fasted LIC. Normally after my HIIT I add 10-20 mins of LIC regardless of time of day.

There are other variables to take into account too. If your bf% is above 14% I would recommend fasted HIIT over LIC. Cardio should be individually tailored to the individuals stats and goals and change as they progress. Look at 405's cardio progression, differents types and done in stages all through his cut.

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thanks for the advice!

[Turkish Juicer]

do you mean that the intensity is too low?

Partly, yes.

How does one do fasted cardio and not exceed 115-120 tops heart rate.

So heart rate is around 90-100 when not fasted and 115-120 tops when fasted? I don't get it.

[oatmeal69]

At your age, you need to be up around 135-140 for your targeted heart rate.

[V-ROID]

Ever consider doing sprints instead of prolonged cardio? Burns fat and builds muscle. Very underused exercise IMO with quick results.

[jimmyinkedup]

Partly, yes.

How does one do fasted cardio and not exceed 115-120 tops heart rate.

So heart rate is around 90-100 when not fasted and 115-120 tops when fasted? I don't get it.

I would interpret "fasted" to mean on an empty stomach - the term having no relevance to intensity in that context. yes ? no ?

[Blergs]

Do cardio, just dont do it fasted.

[Turkish Juicer]

I would interpret "fasted" to mean on an empty stomach - the term having no relevance to intensity in that context. yes ? no ?

I think that's what he means by ''fasted'', cardio performed on an empty stomach.

Now it makes sense to me.

Otherwise, I really could not make sense out of how one can do HIIT and not exceed 120 heart rate, lol.

[Back In Black]

Do cardio, just dont do it fasted.

???????? Care to elaborate!?

[Blergs]

???????? Care to elaborate!?

yah dont do fassted cardio if your bulking or trying to grow muscle.. eat something before.
I am sure I dont need to explain why right?
"Catabolic state"

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So Stem, do you think that fasted cardio should be done only when cutting? In you thread, you said you only do it once a wk. And you dropped that session since you switched to maintence. So you don't think fasted cardio should be done at any time except when cutting? Sorry for barging into this thread.

Thats how I feel about it, yes.

thats not to say dont do cardio, do it. just eat a freaking banana and/or some BCAA's or whey, before

[Back In Black]

Thats how I feel about it, yes.

thats not to say dont do cardio, do it. just eat a freaking banana and/or some BCAA's or whey, before

And if your bulk is clean and you are trying to minimise fat gain as much as possible? I would have no issue doing fasted (bcaa excepted) cardio during a bulk, even part HIIT part LIC.

You suggest banana OR whey! Why not one in particular?

[Turkish Juicer]

Back to Bro-Science 101. Great!