my get big cycle

[PaynESTER]

weeks
1-16 Equipoise 300mg/weekly
4-8 Tren E 300mg/weekly
4-8 Test Prop 100mg/weekly(every 3rd day)
8-12 Tren E 500 mg/weekly
8-16 Test E 500mg/weekly
10-13 Masteron 150mg/weekly(EOD)
12-16 d-bol 30mg/day


if it needs any tweaks let me know.

currently
21 years old.
225 lbs 12% bf

[swm1972]

First I think tapering serves no purpose. Second all those compounds are for advanced users and I'd hope you didn't have that many cycles under your belt at 21. Third, why test prop weeks 4-8? I've run prop weeks 1-4 to kick start a long ester cycle. But at a random period of time like 4-8 makes me question you knowledge of these compounds. Last. You are 21 years old. You've got some reasonable size at 225lbs. Are you sure this is as far as you can go naturally?

Once you start you can't take it back.

[PaynESTER]

cause it starts with running eq only

weeks 1-4 with some peptides
then 4-8 kick start the test

im very knowledgeable.

just asking for some insight.

[decaDump]

Dude... Are you serious? That's waaaaay tooooo long of a cycle especially with the amount and different chems you're taking.

Use the KISS method.

[PaynESTER]

a 16 week cycle?

thats a very popular length of time.

[Focused88]

weeks
1-16 Equipoise 300mg/weekly
4-8 Tren E 300mg/weekly
4-8 Test Prop 100mg/weekly(every 3rd day)
8-12 Tren E 500 mg/weekly
8-16 Test E 500mg/weekly
10-13 Masteron 150mg/weekly(EOD)
12-16 d-bol 30mg/day


if it needs any tweaks let me know.

currently
21 years old.
225 lbs 12% bf

No..just no.
Youre 21 homie.
Why juice? Why so many compounds?
All you need is to eat and train. NO MAS

[PaynESTER]

might sound ignorant or arrogant..whatever you wanna say..but do you think the pro's didnt cycle/do whatever it takes to make it to the top.

ive got ambitions, and waiting to cycle/or whatever you wanna call it. will not get you anywhere in the bodybuilding world.

[stpete]

Too young, too many compounds, too many compounds ran and pinned at the wrong times.

Can we get some more stats like height, training experience, cycle experience?

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ even if you are going to go pro or what ever your goals are that cycle still sucks.
you using the drugs wrong. You are not kick starting correctly. The cycle is a disaster.
I would expect a horrible crash around week 9-10
no ai or hcg.
if you picked random drugs and dosages out of a hat you couldnt have designed a worse cycle

[PaynESTER]

how are they ran at the wrong times?

with all do respect..

u do realize yes, a young man produces a lot of test naturally but one cc of test is nearly triple what he will make

the human body makes around 10 mg/day

[gixxerboy1]

so what are your test levels going to be like when the prop clears after week 8 and the test e hasn't started to kick in yet? And you are on eq and tren. Yea that should go over well.
Also no test for the first few weeks?
No ai either. Do you like your penis to work?
So with all do respect. You dont understand how the drugs you are taking work and being able to point out a little google fact means nothing

[PaynESTER]

i do understand every drug and its purpose...

i assure you my penis will work.

and 4-8 come off prop hit the Test E. you act like it takes 4 weeks for it to start working your body, thats just when you start feeling it work..

the test still starts working in your body within a week or less.

working=/= feeling results.

just like with an oral..it takes about a week for you to start feeling the results, but right when you take that first pill it starts working.

[gixxerboy1]

your right bro. The cycle is perfect. I'm sure you will get huge and everything will go great.

[PaynESTER]

the goal is 250 lbs

250 lbs at 21 years old is a solid size.

i guess flex wheeler when he started juicing at 16 years old..was a bad idea too.

same with every other pro.

-_-

[Back In Black]

So, if you know everything and are dismissing out of hand any suggestions, why did you ask the question? Why are you here?

[gixxerboy1]

the goal is 250 lbs

250 lbs at 21 years old is a solid size.

i guess flex wheeler when he started juicing at 16 years old..was a bad idea too.

same with every other pro.

-_-

and yes he went pro. What about the 1000 other guys that ran those cycles and made it no place and have health issues.

but i can tell you will make it bro, just in the few post you ahve made i can tell you have great knowledge and obviously know what you are doing.

[PaynESTER]

u guys havent presented any suggestions, all you have done is criticize saying too young, dumb, dumb pinning.

there are not helpful suggestions.

you didnt say, hey man instead of starting 1-4 with eq only start with 1-4 test prop and eq and then at week 4 kick the test e in.

[PaynESTER]

with negative attitudes, you wont get very far in any sport for that matter.

[gixxerboy1]

u guys havent presented any suggestions, all you have done is criticize saying too young, dumb, dumb pinning.

there are not helpful suggestions.

you didnt say, hey man instead of starting 1-4 with eq only start with 1-4 test prop and eq and then at week 4 kick the test e in.

why should i bother. you apparently think you know everything. I told you will crash around week 9-10 because of how you are using the test. And you came up with a defense. So im not going to waste my time.
Its ok if you dont know something. But what is more dangerous you know nothing and think you do.

[PaynESTER]

why should i bother. you apparently think you know everything. I told you will crash around week 9-10 because of how you are using the test. And you came up with a defense. So im not going to waste my time.
Its ok if you dont know something. But what is more dangerous you know nothing and think you do.

ok so propose me the same cycle, with the proper test use.

how about

1-16
Test E 250 or 500 mg/weekly
EQ 300mg/weekly
4-12
Tren E 200mg/weekly
8-12
Masteron 150mg/weekly
12-16
dbol 25mg/day

[decaDump]

a 16 week cycle?

thats a very popular length of time.

After 8-9 weeks, the chems become stagnant and no more growth will occur, from my experience and from what I've read. You will need to up the dosage for it to take effect. Not worth it if you ask me. Be content with what you gain off an 8 week cycle.

[Far from massive]

Still missing basics, Tren E or anything with an enanthate ester will not do much in 4 wks. Never done Equipose as most knowlegable members feel its a waste of time ( and even those who use it feel a dose of at least 500-600mg is needed). Dbol is typically used as a kick start not an end of cycle drug, also Dbol causes bloating and Masteron is used as a hardening agent, so running the two at the same time makes little sense.

Myself I would not run all those compounds in one cycle, and since I have not done so really could not advise you on how to do it. I will leave this to those who have used each seperately and know how they will react and know how the various compounds interact best together, however even with my limited knowlege of all these compounds I was still able to come up with 3 major errors in your 2nd approach, so I would stick to simpler cycles till you have the experience and knowlege to use a boatload of compounds like this.

[PaynESTER]

i appreciate the answer man.

but may i point out one thing. yes i know masteron is hardening agent. and dbol will blow you up.


but when masteron is over then i hit the dbol

or should i substitute dbol for winnie?

[LolWuter]

The Masteron is not needed here. Save it for later. If you already bought the EQ, use it through out the cycle, but if you haven't I would drop it. The high dose you need to see some results would raise your blood thickness tremendously. Not a good look for anybody.

You could do:

Week 1-12:
Testosterone Enthanate 500mg a week
Week 1-4:
Testosterone Propionate 100mg eod for a kickstart
Weeks 10-14:
Dbol 30-40mg ed (the reason for this is because after week 8,9,10 you are going to stagnate. Use another drug to keep gaining and use it or the two weeks while the ester is clearing out)
Weeks 1-14: AI
Weeks 15-18: SERM

[Far from massive]

Just reread the post I had the times screwed up and thought you were doing the EQ 4-12 and the Tren 8-12 and the masteron 12-16 my mistake.


I would never advise a 21 yr old to run a cycle like this but... if you were older, I would say to run the Dbol wks 1-4. Dump the Equipose ( For serious growth its a waste of a good syringe) then up the Tren and Masteron 150mg each and you would see much better results.

[Far from massive]

The Masteron is not needed here. Save it for later. If you already bought the EQ, use it through out the cycle, but if you haven't I would drop it. The high dose you need to see some results would raise your blood thickness tremendously. Not a good look for anybody.

You could do:

Week 1-12:
Testosterone Enthanate 500mg a week
Week 1-4:
Testosterone Propionate 100mg eod for a kickstart
Weeks 10-14:
Dbol 30-40mg ed (the reason for this is because after week 8,9,10 you are going to stagnate. Use another drug to keep gaining and use it or the two weeks while the ester is clearing out)
Weeks 1-14: AI
Weeks 15-18: SERM

You would suggest doing Dbol only for wks 12-14 while the Test ester clears? Why would you want to do that?

[LolWuter]

You would suggest doing Dbol only for wks 12-14 while the Test ester clears? Why would you want to do that?

It's not Dbol only if the test is still in your system. As far as I'm concerned, the cycle is still on weeks 13 and 14, and weeks 15 PCT starts. It's too keep gaining after stagnation. Why would you not want to do that?

If HCG were to be run here, it would be weeks 5 - 14 250ius twice a week. PCT should be nolvadex, and Aromasin is a good AI.

[gonzo6183]

cause it starts with running eq only

weeks 1-4 with some peptides
then 4-8 kick start the test

im very knowledgeable.

just asking for some insight.

I havent read through the thread yet but I can assure you that you have absolutely bugger all knowledge running a cycle like this, especially at your age. but like I said anyone running something like this, HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING...

[gonzo6183]

^^^ even if you are going to go pro or what ever your goals are that cycle still sucks.
you using the drugs wrong. You are not kick starting correctly. The cycle is a disaster.
I would expect a horrible crash around week 9-10
no ai or hcg.
if you picked random drugs and dosages out of a hat you couldnt have designed a worse cycle

This sums up your cycle perfectly