Insulin Resistance

[akali]

So forgive me if im not as knowledgable as you guys, but turkish juicer raised a good point. Is it bad to be eating frequent small meals? and also Turkish juicer i remember you had a thread on Insulin & green tea. With the information provided in this topic, how would green tea reflect in long term insulin resistance

[gbrice75]

Thanks mate, that's come as perfect to
Ing as I start my lean bulk. My 20's were littered with drinking and a terrible high carb/far diet. Whilst I find it relatively easy to cut I've always struggled with a bulk.

Time will tell, but thanks for this and good luck next time you bulk too!

Glad you enjoyed the read!

Interesting read my friend, When your mention PWO and to not consume it as fast does this include protein? i usually consume within 20 minutes of a workout some protein and oats but would it be wise to wait longer such as a hour?
thanks

That's a theory - I've read that staying 'fasted' (realizing you're not truly fasted if you're having a PRE workout meal... ) after your workout/cardio for several hours can help. However, carbs will by far be the biggest factor as they raise BGL much more/faster than protein or fats.

thanks for posting this. i think we are similar in some ways but i can gain pretty easy (both fat and muscle). i have always been a husky kid, never obese, but always overweight/chunky monkey. it is very hard for me to cut as my body wants to stay fat! over the past 10 years, the weight has dropped slowly but after finding this website, it started dropping faster! i have been doing the fasting diet since the new year, and like it but i have not been as strict/disciplined as others on this site are which shows the slow progress. i do remember some threads way back last year that discussed this topic and i am glad you brought it up again.

I hate you!

Which is enough of a reason for NOT advising people to eat frequent small meals throughout the day, especially with lean gains and/or cutting purposes in mind.

Agreed, at least in terms of cutting.

Im glad I brought up insulin in our discussion yesterday. lol

Yea man. I've pondered insulin resistance as a major player in my 'issue' for a while now, but after our talk yesterday I really got to thinking about it, and started to look into it more than I have in the past. Glad I did, because finding that one little blurb said it all for me.

So forgive me if im not as knowledgable as you guys, but turkish juicer raised a good point. Is it bad to be eating frequent small meals? and also Turkish juicer i remember you had a thread on Insulin & green tea. With the information provided in this topic, how would green tea reflect in long term insulin resistance

Bad? Not necessarily. However for somebody who is insulin resistant, it's logically not the best approach IMO. Eating every few hours means insulin activity every few hours. Extended periods of time without eating (Fasting) means supressed insulin for said period of time. Now on the other side of the coin, this will require your fewer meals to be larger, and as such, the insulin response to these meals will also be greater. I still think it's a better approach though.

[Turkish Juicer]

So forgive me if im not as knowledgable as you guys, but turkish juicer raised a good point. Is it bad to be eating frequent small meals? and also Turkish juicer i remember you had a thread on Insulin & green tea. With the information provided in this topic, how would green tea reflect in long term insulin resistance

It is not ''bad'' to be eating frequent small meals per se, it is certainly not the best strategy to yield lean gains and/or cut for many people, although frequent small meal theory is often thrown in our faces to be the most efficient strategy for boosting metabolism and hence increasing the rate of fat-burning process, which is nonetheless NOT a proven method.

Another downside of eating every 2-3 hour is the protein oxidation; that is, protein waste in simple terms. When you feed your body with protein every 2-3 hours, you are making it impossible for all the protein to be utilized as it should be, which leads to its oxidation, as opposed to giving your metabolism enough time to digest the protein meal before reloading your gut with another.

Yes, all studies point out to the fact that frequent consumption of green tea throughout the day would have a positive effect on insulin resistance, meaning that insulin sensitivity levels would be higher and resistance be lower.

[Dukkit]

It is not ''bad'' to be eating frequent small meals per se, it is certainly not the best strategy to yield lean gains and/or cut for many people, although frequent small meal is often thrown in our faces to be the most efficient strategy for boosting metabolism and hence increasing the rate of fat-burning process, which is nonetheless NOT a proven method.

Another downside of eating every 2-3 hour is the protein oxidation; that is, protein waste in simple terms. When you feed your body with protein every 2-3 hours, you are making it impossible for all the protein to be utilized as it should be, which leads to its oxidation, as opposed to giving your metabolism enough time to digest the protein meal before reloading your gut with another.

Yes, all studies point out to the fact that frequent consumption of green tea throughout the day would have a positive effect on insulin resistance, meaning that insulin sensitivity levels would be higher and resistance be lower.

I like your way of thinking. We need to be friends. lol

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

It is not ''bad'' to be eating frequent small meals per se, it is certainly not the best strategy to yield lean gains and/or cut for many people, although frequent small meal theory is often thrown in our faces to be the most efficient strategy for boosting metabolism and hence increasing the rate of fat-burning process, which is nonetheless NOT a proven method.

Another downside of eating every 2-3 hour is the protein oxidation; that is, protein waste in simple terms. When you feed your body with protein every 2-3 hours, you are making it impossible for all the protein to be utilized as it should be, which leads to its oxidation, as opposed to giving your metabolism enough time to digest the protein meal before reloading your gut with another.

Yes, all studies point out to the fact that frequent consumption of green tea throughout the day would have a positive effect on insulin resistance, meaning that insulin sensitivity levels would be higher and resistance be lower.

Ok so translated for dummies like myself it would sound something like this.

More frequent meals equals more insulin and not enough time for the body to break down and use ALL the nutrients it's been provided and increases insulin resistance which is less optimal for one trying to "cut."

Less frequent meals equals less insulin and gives enough time for body to utilize all of the nutrients that were consumed and has less effect on insulin resistance and more effect on insulin sensativity, which would benefit one that is trying to "cut."

This is what i'm getting out of it if i'm understanding correctly.

[Turkish Juicer]

Ok so translated for dummies like myself it would sound something like this.

More frequent meals equals more insulin and not enough time for the body to break down and use ALL the nutrients it's been provided and increases insulin resistance which is less optimal for one trying to "cut."

Less frequent meals equals less insulin and gives enough time for body to utilize all of the nutrients that were consumed and has less effect on insulin resistance and more effect on insulin sensativity, which would benefit one that is trying to "cut."

This is what i'm getting out of it if i'm understanding correctly.

You could not have had a better understanding of it, which also proves that you are not a dummie

An alternative strategy to eating small frequent meals would be to consume a meal about every 4-5 hours with complex carbs that are packed with fiber and slow digesting protein that will ensure the constant amino acid flow to the bloodstream, hence feeding the muscles throughout the day. This way, one can at least guarantee that there is no protein waste which occurs due to its frequent intake and insulin is not triggered too often.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

You could not have had a better understanding of it, which also proves that you are not a dummie

An alternative strategy to eating small frequent meals would be to consume a meal about every 4-5 hours with complex carbs that are packed with fiber and slow digesting protein that will ensure the constant amino acid flow to the bloodstream, hence feeding the muscles throughout the day. This way, one can at least guarantee that there is no protein waste which occurs due to its frequent intake and insulin is not triggered too often.

Great information, Thanks.

[gixxerboy1]

Ok so translated for dummies like myself it would sound something like this.

More frequent meals equals more insulin and not enough time for the body to break down and use ALL the nutrients it's been provided and increases insulin resistance which is less optimal for one trying to "cut."

Less frequent meals equals less insulin and gives enough time for body to utilize all of the nutrients that were consumed and has less effect on insulin resistance and more effect on insulin sensativity, which would benefit one that is trying to "cut."

This is what i'm getting out of it if i'm understanding correctly.

You could not have had a better understanding of it, which also proves that you are not a dummie

An alternative strategy to eating small frequent meals would be to consume a meal about every 4-5 hours with complex carbs that are packed with fiber and slow digesting protein that will ensure the constant amino acid flow to the bloodstream, hence feeding the muscles throughout the day. This way, one can at least guarantee that there is no protein waste which occurs due to its frequent intake and insulin is not triggered too often.

ok say you took 1 large meal. what ever the breakdown is and divided it into to smaller meals. Why would you have more insulin on the 2 meals instead of 1. Yes you would have another "pulse" but your body shouldnt produce a higher total amount of insulin since in theory you are eating exactly the same. it should be 2 smaller pulses instead of one larger one

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

ok say you took 1 large meal. what ever the breakdown is and divided it into to smaller meals. Why would you have more insulin on the 2 meals instead of 1. Yes you would have another "pulse" but your body shouldnt produce a higher total amount of insulin since in theory you are eating exactly the same. it should be 2 smaller pulses instead of one larger one

I think that with the 2 moderate sized meals it is a prolonged insulin release as opposed to the 1 larger meal when you just get the insulin release from that one meal. One could debate the fact of the larger release in the 1 meal or the prolonged smaller release of the 2 moderate meals then that's getting real knitty gritty. I would think that if somebody's primary goal is to lower BF% they would want to go with the 1 larger meal which would fall around pre/post workout to combat losing muscle in a caloric deficient diet. I'm experiencing this in my IF diet and have had successful results in the first 10 days.

Everybody is different, I personally don't like larger meals in a short period of time but that's where I get the best results.

[gixxerboy1]

I think that with the 2 moderate sized meals it is a prolonged insulin release as opposed to the 1 larger meal when you just get the insulin release from that one meal. One could debate the fact of the larger release in the 1 meal or the prolonged smaller release of the 2 moderate meals then that's getting real knitty gritty. I would think that if somebody's primary goal is to lower BF% they would want to go with the 1 larger meal which would fall around pre/post workout to combat losing muscle in a caloric deficient diet. I'm experiencing this in my IF diet and have had successful results in the first 10 days.

Everybody is different, I personally don't like larger meals in a short period of time but that's where I get the best results.

I agree about the cutting part. but since we were talking about insulin resistance. So as Turkish posted. The 1 large release would be better then a lower prolonged for insulin resistance. I'm curious if there is a study or some science behind it.