MYSTERIOUS high estrone....on LETRO...

[AnabolicBoy1981]

12 wk primo, test, letro cutter
400mg, test e,
700,g primo wk, and
2.5 letro/day

estrone should be 12-72pg/ml........mines 389pg/ml? its usually in the 30's if just on the test

getting second test of total estrogens, and estradiol next week...this is weird.

No bloat, very dry, no BP issues...what gives?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

bump

[BigBadWolf]

That's easy it's from gay striping.

[Turkish Juicer]

There is something certainly off here.

Primo is DHT which means you only have 400mg of aromatizing Test in your system and not to mention 2.5mg Letro a day is quite an overkill for this cycle (you are probably doing this due to previously existing gyno).

At a first glance, I presumed your Letro was bunk but then I read no bloat, no BP issues ... there has got to be something wrong with the results themselves IMO.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Your letro is bunk.

High E doesn't cause elevated BP or excess water retention in everyone.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

Your letro is bunk.

High E doesn't cause elevated BP or excess water retention in everyone.

high estradiol will cause bloat and BP with me, but this is estrone, so maybe its diff. i know its a weaker E.

[DanB]

Your letro is bunk.

High E doesn't cause elevated BP or excess water retention in everyone.

X2

It's obvious

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I dont think my letro is bunk....

Heres my theory....Primo is a DHT and counters estrogen often at its receptors, which in why in some cases it is used alongside aromatizing androgens to keep sides down. In the case of masteron, it can be used to reduce gyno. Topical DHT (andractim) has been used to reduce gyno. So in this respect, DHT derives act very much like a SERM(nolvadex)...and some studies have shown that with SERMS circulating estrogens actually increased, even though activity has decreased due to less interaction with the recepter. So SERMS and DHT's are great at "blocking" but they are also causing estrogen to build up....which means after the cycle ends i will have a huge estrogen surge waiting for me....great.
Whatch think? Plausable?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

OH...and you may be asking..."well even if that's true about DHT's and build up, you wouldnt have that much estrogen to build up because of the letro(unless its bunk)"

not necessarrily, because from other tests even 2.5 letro wont lower me all the way, even when im not supplementing test!

[Bonaparte]

I dont think my letro is bunk....

Heres my theory....Primo is a DHT and counters estrogen often at its receptors, which in why in some cases it is used alongside aromatizing androgens to keep sides down. In the case of masteron, it can be used to reduce gyno. Topical DHT (andractim) has been used to reduce gyno. So in this respect, DHT derives act very much like a SERM(nolvadex)...and some studies have shown that with SERMS circulating estrogens actually increased, even though activity has decreased due to less interaction with the recepter. So SERMS and DHT's are great at "blocking" but they are also causing estrogen to build up....which means after the cycle ends i will have a huge estrogen surge waiting for me....great.
Whatch think? Plausable?

DHT antagonizes estrogen through several pathways. While it does act somewhat like a SERM, it will lower total estrogen as well, not just mask its effects.

[lca5000]

Have you run the letro right through the cycle as your A.I ?
have you shown any signs of gyno during the cycle ?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

Have you run the letro right through the cycle as your A.I ?
have you shown any signs of gyno during the cycle ?

yes.
no.

[lca5000]

When you run a cycle what A.I do you normally use Right the way through ?

I heard using Letro as an a.i or for gyno reversal can kill your sex drive how has that been ?

Are you running the letro to keep estrogen at bay or for a reversal ?

Sorry for all the questions as Im very gyno prone and even with an A.I I feel it so I am interested to see what happen

[lca5000]

When you run a cycle what A.I do you normally use Right the way through ?

I heard using Letro as an a.i or for gyno reversal can kill your sex drive how has that been ?

Are you running the letro to keep estrogen at bay or for a reversal ?

Sorry for all the questions as Im very gyno prone and even with an A.I I feel it so I am interested to see what happen

[Sgt. Hartman]

2.5mg letro ED would have wiped out your E1 and E2 levels. Your letro's bunk.

http://m.jco.ascopubs.org/content/20/3/751.full

[Far from massive]

I would wait for a retest of labwork before making any assumptions.

Even if the letro was bunk would E numbers be that high with 700mg of primo on top of only 400mg of Test?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

took my retest. using the board stuff. i have a letro sex drive and dryness, though primo would do similar, we'll see whats up.