Aspirating

[K.Shinedling]

I just want to say something before I ask. I know im too young for steroids, however, i still like doing research because it fascinates me. Ok, on to the question. I know with injectables you are supposed to aspirate and if you see blood, take it out. But what i dont get is why its bad to see blood...i mean you just pierced your skin with a needle so of course youre going to see blood. Can anyone please explain? Thanks

[papa-g]

Rather then asking try typing that one word in the search bar. It works I promise.

[Deeez]

Because that means you hit a vein and injecting into it can cause serious immediate harm

[K.Shinedling]

Because that means you hit a vein and injecting into it can cause serious immediate harm

Thanks for the info

[K.Shinedling]

Rather then asking try typing that one word in the search bar. It works I promise.

No need to be a smart ass

[papa-g]

No need to be a smart ass

Sorry. But have you tried it?

[K.Shinedling]

Sorry. But have you tried it?

Actually yes I did. I read mikes post...it helped a lot. Thanks for being a smart ass haha

[papa-g]

Plus theres alot more to it than what deez said. His point is simple and basic and very true. But the way you asked sounds like your looking for a quite lengthy answer and I know it has been asked before along with questions like " I forgort to aspirate and I think I hit a vein". And "what happens if it hit a vein". And there are some very good responses already out there.

[K.Shinedling]

Well I didn't see anything about why it's bad to hit a vein. Mind telling me why?

[castiron]

because the oil based solution is meant to be absorbed over a period of time in your muscles, where it wont do any harm (relatively). If you inject it into your veins it can go into your heart, brain, lungs etc, causing a blockage which could lead to heart attack, stroke, pulmonary embolism, to name a few. Dont inject in veins, oil is not supposed to be in veins. You could die.

[MuscleInk]

Well I didn't see anything about why it's bad to hit a vein. Mind telling me why?

Cardiac collapse. Death.

Basically, your heart accelerates and you go into cardiac arrest and failure. Lights out. Game over and there is no restart button.

Couldn't get much worse could it?

[K.Shinedling]

Oh shit. Well now I know why aspirating is so important. Thanks for the info guys. I love learning new things about AAS

[MuscleInk]

Oh shit. Well now I know why aspirating is so important. Thanks for the info guys. I love learning new things about AAS

No worries. Educating yourself is the way to go.

[K.Shinedling]

So if you aspirate and get blood, pull out and try again? Obviously replacing the needle, but that's all? No damage done?

[MuscleInk]

So if you aspirate and get blood, pull out and try again? Obviously replacing the needle, but that's all? No damage done?

Some guys re-pin with the same syringe if their rig is all-in-one. A good lur-lock syringe will let you swap for a sterile needle which is the way to go. The original spot might bleed from hitting the vessel. Apply pressure with alcohol pad or clean gauze for two mins. Clean new area with new alcohol swab and you can re-pin with the original rig (new needle of course).

Always keep it clean.

[castiron]

Pull out and try again. sounds like my last girlfriend...I never replaced the needle. Damage is done but it isnt catastrophic most of the time. Just a big bruise, or a collapsed vein if ur unlucky. although it could cause a clot and you could die from that but it is unlikely. people hit veins all the time and are alive and well. hit a nerve and you will know it!

[MuscleInk]

Pull out and try again. sounds like my last girlfriend...I never replaced the needle. Damage is done but it isnt catastrophic most of the time. Just a big bruise, or a collapsed vein if ur unlucky. although it could cause a clot and you could die from that but it is unlikely. people hit veins all the time and are alive and well. hit a nerve and you will know it!

Pull out and try again? Were you sticking it in the wrong hole Castiron?????

You might get a hematoma. Looks bad (a bruised bump) but 99% of the time it is nothing.

Nerves are fun. You won't feel shit with a vein most of the time, but hit that nerve and you'll know where you are. I've sent my quads into spasm a few times.

[guitario]

If aspirating is considered a big issue, why don't medical professionals aspirate when they give you injections? I have had injections in my delts, ass and arm and never seen a doctor/nurse aspirate before.

[K.Shinedling]

Because whatever they injected you with was probably water based and won't cause any clots or death. That's just my opinion/guess

[MuscleInk]

Because whatever they injected you with was probably water based and won't cause any clots or death. That's just my opinion/guess

Correct...in many cases. Here's a reference to consider:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...50507/abstract

Regardless of "how dangerous", if the risk is only 1% are you really willing to gamble with your life? Aspirating takes a second. Why risk your life for a quick second?

Regarding doctors and nurses, they are far from perfect but many of them have far more experience injecting substances than most of us. Again, they're not perfect but having injected and drawn blood from both animals AND people, I can tell you that with experience you get a "feel" for where that needle is even though you can't see it.

IMO its well worth the time to aspirate.

[sharmabrah]

Cardiac collapse. Death.

Basically, your heart accelerates and you go into cardiac arrest and failure. Lights out. Game over and there is no restart button.

Couldn't get much worse could it?

If injecting can lead to immediate death, then why do most people on here say injecting is much more beneficial and safer than oral steroids? Surely most people are just stating this from heresay rather than by fact?

[MuscleInk]

If injecting can lead to immediate death, then why do most people on here say injecting is much more beneficial and safer than oral steroids? Surely most people are just stating this from heresay rather than by fact?

Most orals are alkylated so they are metabolized more slowly and remain in the body longer. Unfortunately, this change (usually the 17th position on the steroid ring) increases the hepatotoxicity (liver toxicity) of a steroid. Many orals are only safe to run at 4-6 weeks. Everyone is different and some orals are more toxic, but 4-6 weeks is considered cycle lengths likely to do minimum damage.

Injectables are less hepatotoxic and can be run longer (16 weeks or longer) so most people would prefer longer cycles since many of the effects of AASs may only be observed beyond 6 weeks or longer (depending on other factors such as diet, training, genetics).

Steroids carry risks no matter how you look at it. The decision of oral versus injectable is a personal choice for many. Yes, an injection into a vein can be serious but when handled by a well educated user, trained on proper cycles and techniques, the risk is probably less than hepatotoxicity associated with orals. Once you irreversibly screw up your liver, you're done son.

[sharmabrah]

Most orals are alkylated so they are metabolized more slowly and remain in the body longer. Unfortunately, this change (usually the 17th position on the steroid ring) increases the hepatotoxicity (liver toxicity) of a steroid. Many orals are only safe to run at 4-6 weeks. Everyone is different and some orals are more toxic, but 4-6 weeks is considered cycle lengths likely to do minimum damage.

Injectables are less hepatotoxic and can be run longer (16 weeks or longer) so most people would prefer longer cycles since many of the effects of AASs may only be observed beyond 6 weeks or longer (depending on other factors such as diet, training, genetics).

Steroids carry risks no matter how you look at it. The decision of oral versus injectable is a personal choice for many. Yes, an injection into a vein can be serious but when handled by a well educated user, trained on proper cycles and techniques, the risk is probably less than hepatotoxicity associated with orals. Once you irreversibly screw up your liver, you're done son.

Whilst I agree with what you are saying, no one, not even experienced steroid users, can stop themselves from hitting a vein. No steroid user can be considered a needle expert so to speak. And when you say "once you irreversibly screw up your liver you are done", it can also be said that once you have a cardiac arrest and die your whole life is ended. Jesus the more I research the less inclined I am to do steroids at all - even when I am twenty four or twenty five. Decisions, decisions...

[Capebuffalo]

I gotta tell you OP in this case it worked out better for you than using the search bar. Use the search bar but you just got some good info

[nooby]

If aspirating is considered a big issue, why don't medical professionals aspirate when they give you injections? I have had injections in my delts, ass and arm and never seen a doctor/nurse aspirate before.

We do, and anyone who doesn't is a complete idiot, and I would never let them take care of me. They should have their license revoked.

[nooby]

Whilst I agree with what you are saying, no one, not even experienced steroid users, can stop themselves from hitting a vein. No steroid user can be considered a needle expert so to speak. And when you say "once you irreversibly screw up your liver you are done", it can also be said that once you have a cardiac arrest and die your whole life is ended. Jesus the more I research the less inclined I am to do steroids at all - even when I am twenty four or twenty five. Decisions, decisions...

No you can't stop yourself from hitting a vein, but you can quite easily stop yourself from injecting in one. That is what the whole subject of this thread is about.

[K.Shinedling]

I gotta tell you OP in this case it worked out better for you than using the search bar. Use the search bar but you just got some good info

I know! I'm reading all these comments and I'm glad there's a forum like this. One of the previous comments earlier said that if you hit a vein you COULD collapse it. Will it ever repair? Any health issues? I know that as long as you don't inject into the vein you're fine but I'm just curious about this collapsed thing.

[MuscleInk]

Whilst I agree with what you are saying, no one, not even experienced steroid users, can stop themselves from hitting a vein. No steroid user can be considered a needle expert so to speak. And when you say "once you irreversibly screw up your liver you are done", it can also be said that once you have a cardiac arrest and die your whole life is ended. Jesus the more I research the less inclined I am to do steroids at all - even when I am twenty four or twenty five. Decisions, decisions...

Yes you are correct and my response was not to imply that injections are inherently safer than orals. The bottom line is that steroid use carries RISKS. Young guys coming on here many times are convinced steroids are the answer. They believe they are invincible and nothing could go wrong. Steroids carry risks. I don't care if you shoot,, eat, drink the stuff or stick it in your pooper. The reality is, everyone, young or old, needs to realize and accept the risks. People on this forum are well educated and will provide some of the best advice and sometimes it will be advice against using steroids even though the advice is coming from a former or current user. They are not trying to be hypocrites, rather they are advising based on their personal experience. Not everyone is going to inject into a vein or destroy their liver but that doesn't mean there aren't other concerns to consider.

I guess my point was this....with an injection, aspirating will give you an idea of how close to a vein you are. True, it's not perfect but aspirating is the way to go. With liver toxicity from orals, in the early stages of liver distress, you can be asymptomatic for some time and during this time the user would continue to administer compounds that are causing further liver failure. Once the liver toxicity is diagnosed, the damage may be irreversible. Yes, cardiac collapse IS irreversible too. As I said, there is no guarantee with steroids except that you can guarantee there are risks. Each person must weigh the cost:benefit ratio and decide if steroids are right for them based on the known risk profiles.

[MuscleInk]

No you can't stop yourself from hitting a vein, but you can quite easily stop yourself from injecting in one. That is what the whole subject of this thread is about.

Thank you Nooby. That was the point I had hoped to make.

[MuscleInk]

I know! I'm reading all these comments and I'm glad there's a forum like this. One of the previous comments earlier said that if you hit a vein you COULD collapse it. Will it ever repair? Any health issues? I know that as long as you don't inject into the vein you're fine but I'm just curious about this collapsed thing.

Cardiac collapse and a collapsed vein are different things. Collapsed veins occur when the internal lining of the vein swells and circulation is compromised. Once the swelling subsides circulation is reestablished. In some cases there can be a permanent collapse, often due to repeated injections into the same vein.

Circulatory/cardiac collapse affects larger vessels of the heart (aorta) and is almost always fatal. A peripheral collapse of veins or arteries can result in gangrene or organ failure. This is common for sport injuries resulting in compartment syndromes. Acute collapse involves primary vessels of the heart collapsing usually resulting in cardiac arrest and death.

[papa-g]

Cardiac collapse and a collapsed vein are different things. Collapsed veins occur when the internal lining of the vein swells and circulation is compromised. Once the swelling subsides circulation is reestablished. In some cases there can be a permanent collapse, often due to repeated injections into the same vein.

Circulatory/cardiac collapse affects larger vessels of the heart (aorta) and is almost always fatal. A peripheral collapse of veins or arteries can result in gangrene or organ failure. This is common for sport injuries resulting in compartment syndromes. Acute collapse involves primary vessels of the heart collapsing usually resulting in cardiac arrest and death.

A collapsed vein would be like when you have your blood drawn and in the middle of the draw it just stops. They end up re pinning stlightly higher or lower and you end up with a sore bruise and everything is normal in a day or do. This is very common in young children as their veins are so small. But passing a pin through a vein to get to deep muscle should not cause this. Just be sure that when you aspirate and it's all clear you don't move the pin back out any ad you may then be back in that vein you passed through. This is mostly things I've read so if I'm wrong please tell me.

[Rwy]

Is it common to pass through a vein when injecting?

I aspirated on an injection last week and everything was clear but when I pulled the needle out some blood came out. Enough that it dripped down my arm but nothing crazy. I assumed that I pass through a vein on the way to my muscle

[MuscleInk]

A collapsed vein would be like when you have your blood drawn and in the middle of the draw it just stops. They end up re pinning stlightly higher or lower and you end up with a sore bruise and everything is normal in a day or do. This is very common in young children as their veins are so small. But passing a pin through a vein to get to deep muscle should not cause this. Just be sure that when you aspirate and it's all clear you don't move the pin back out any ad you may then be back in that vein you passed through. This is mostly things I've read so if I'm wrong please tell me.

Spot on. Some collapsed veins will form a hematoma but this is generally harmless. You can also collapse a vein from aspirating in a small vessel which can hemolyze a blood sample. Which is why healthcare professionals will redraw from a larger vein.

[curioususer]

did the blood come out of the skin or inside the syringe??

[Rwy]

blood came out of skin after i removed syringe.

[curioususer]

the only way is to find out if u pull the plunger backward and see if the blood comes inside the syringe right?

[K.Shinedling]

Blood coming out of your skin after a pin is normal. You just pierced your skin with a sharp object. There's a pinning guide on here and it said not to worry about blood coming out, as long as its not like gushing or bleeding for more than a few minutes.

[papa-g]

Blood coming out of your skin after a pin is normal. You just pierced your skin with a sharp object. There's a pinning guide on here and it said not to worry about blood coming out, as long as its not like gushing or bleeding for more than a few minutes.

See. You are researching and it working. Great job. Stick around.

[curioususer]

Blood coming out of your skin after a pin is normal. You just pierced your skin with a sharp object. There's a pinning guide on here and it said not to worry about blood coming out, as long as its not like gushing or bleeding for more than a few minutes.

[MuscleInk]

I've had two gushers even after a clean aspiration. Probably hit a vessel in the way out of going in and bite of needle acted like a temporary stopper. I've painted my bathroom mirror and wall a couple of times with a nice venous spray! Lol