How I see recreational using of AAS, in chart form!!

[Bonaparte]

That's fairly accurate, IMO. But few guys will ever achieve their genetic max naturally, so they could still end up bigger and stronger than before. Strength being the key point here, as the strength gains from AAS can stick around much better than the mass gains (since much of that is CNS-based). AAS use can also cause certain visual changes in the muscle that one may not have been able to achieve naturally (striations, etc).

What is the conclusion you're arriving at?

[thex95]

That's fairly accurate, IMO. But few guys will ever achieve their genetic max naturally, so they could still end up bigger and stronger than before. Strength being the key point here, as the strength gains from AAS can stick around much better than the mass gains (since much of that is CNS-based).

What is the conclusion you're arriving at?

the more and more I think about cycling again the more I think its just not for me. I would really love to add some more solid pounds of muscle, but if its just going to go away after a while then whats the point you know? I honestly dont plan on staying on and I would like to avoid TRT so maybe another cycle just isnt in the future for me.

My main conclusion being if you dont plan on staying on, then why start?

[Bonaparte]

the more and more I think about cycling again the more I think its just not for me. I would really love to add some more solid pounds of muscle, but if its just going to go away after a while then whats the point you know? I honestly dont plan on staying on and I would like to avoid TRT so maybe another cycle just isnt in the future for me.

My main conclusion being if you dont plan on staying on, then why start?

If you don't feel psychologically driven to get bigger and stronger than naturally possible, then you're correct. There is no good point in the long term. If you're satisfied with what you can naturally achieve and maintain, save yourself from a lot of money, headache, and risk.

[thex95]

If you don't feel psychologically driven to get bigger and stronger than naturally possible, then you're correct. There is no good point in the long term. If you're satisfied with what you can naturally achieve and maintain, save yourself from a lot of money, headache, and risk.

oh I am definetley not satisfied I fricking hate how i look. But ya long term their is not point if you just do a few cycles and stop.

It seems one would have to cycle forever or get on TRT to have success exeeding genetic limits in the long term

[Judah]

oh I am definetley not satisfied I fricking hate how i look. But ya long term their is not point if you just do a few cycles and stop.

It seems one would have to cycle forever or get on TRT to have success exeeding genetic limits in the long term

I really really feel your not grasping this fully. There are plenty of reasons to do "a few" cycles and stop. You can use AS and still not reach your max potential and maintain a lot of the gains you achieved from those cycles. Your mind fuc-king your self brother. Cut yourself some slack lol.

[Bonaparte]

I really really feel your not grasping this fully. There are plenty of reasons to do "a few" cycles and stop. You can use AS and still not reach your max potential and maintain a lot of the gains you achieved from those cycles. Your mind fuc-king your self brother. Cut yourself some slack lol.

Steroids and the accompanying lifestyle of crime aren't for everyone, so I don't see why you're trying to sell him on the idea.

[t-dogg]

Steroids and the accompanying lifestyle of crime aren't for everyone, so I don't see why you're trying to sell him on the idea.

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[Judah]

Steroids and the accompanying lifestyle of crime aren't for everyone, so I don't see why you're trying to sell him on the idea.

Selling? If I was selling him on the idea, I would have already talked him in to it. Next subject...

If you want to call it "selling" than what I am doing is selling him on the idea that he should be making his decision for the right reasons not the wrong ones. He needs to make a decision based on accurate information. So please don't accuse me of trying talk somebody in to gear, that's a gross error on your part.

[thex95]

I really really feel your not grasping this fully. There are plenty of reasons to do "a few" cycles and stop. You can use AS and still not reach your max potential and maintain a lot of the gains you achieved from those cycles. Your mind fuc-king your self brother. Cut yourself some slack lol.

"but if its just going to go away after a while then whats the point you know? "

Is this another way of saying "getting old" lol. Everything is lost in old age, eventually your heart stops beating lol. You can't even keep the hair on your head forever. So I think the answer is less specific than your making it. While your body can maintain it, what build do you want to achieve before your body can no longer hold on to it?

No man I am fully grasping all this, i am just weighing the pros and cons to come to a well thought out conclusion.

Also I feel the point your making is not comparable in terms of logic of what I am talking about. I realize everything is lost in old age, however I am talking about losing gains in a matter of many weeks. Losing everything with old age is a matter of many many years.

[Judah]

No man I am fully grasping all this, i am just weighing the pros and cons to come to a well thought out conclusion.

Also I feel the point your making is not comparable in terms of logic of what I am talking about. I realize everything is lost in old age, however I am talking about losing gains in a matter of many weeks. Losing everything with old age is a matter of many many years.

Maybe I'm not grasping what your saying lol. Hmmmm. Well let me answer this and see if we can get through this as simple as possible. I think I'm repeating myself here but here we go.

"losing gains in a matter of weeks"

If this is happening to someone after a cycle it's most likely due to incorrect diet and incorrect training, specifically in that order.

Exception:
- Your at your genetic max prior the the cycle.
- You have terrible genetics or some kind of auto immune disease or health issues in general.
- Your doing a cycle that makes you hold a lot of water and even then you can still hold on to some gains on those cycles.

Do you disagree with this or have any question?

[Razor]

oh I am definetley not satisfied I fricking hate how i look. But ya long term their is not point if you just do a few cycles and stop.

It seems one would have to cycle forever or get on TRT to have success exeeding genetic limits in the long term

Don't be so hard on yourself man, train hard eat right, you can overcome anything you set your mind too.

[Judah]

the more and more I think about cycling again the more I think its just not for me. I would really love to add some more solid pounds of muscle, but if its just going to go away after a while then whats the point you know? I honestly dont plan on staying on and I would like to avoid TRT so maybe another cycle just isnt in the future for me.

My main conclusion being if you dont plan on staying on, then why start?

"but if its just going to go away after a while then whats the point you know? "

Is this another way of saying "getting old" lol. Everything is lost in old age, eventually your heart stops beating lol. You can't even keep the hair on your head forever. So I think the answer is less specific than your making it. While your body can maintain it, what build do you want to achieve before your body can no longer hold on to it?

[t-dogg]

Well imo thats also going off getting older also. They made a saying long ago "if you dont use it, you lose it". I mean that chart could be for anything with the body without aas. You dont workout, diet, lift, live well you lose good health.

[gixxerboy1]

That's fairly accurate, IMO. But few guys will ever achieve their genetic max naturally, so they could still end up bigger and stronger than before. Strength being the key point here, as the strength gains from AAS can stick around much better than the mass gains (since much of that is CNS-based). AAS use can also cause certain visual changes in the muscle that one may not have been able to achieve naturally (striations, etc).

What is the conclusion you're arriving at?

exactly. Most guys think because that Plataead at what they were doing they are at their genetic max. If most realized making changes and gaining a couple lbs a year is still growing. They are not at their max.