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    The higher you go, the farther you can potentially fall.

    I think that the majority of it is definitely psychological - just that lack of feeling augmented beyond your normal capabilities. When coming off cycle and even long after PCT is over, training in the gym does become a mundane thing for me. You need to learn to make it interesting and teach yourself that its not all about being 'ON'. I personally have never had a post-cycle crash. The only thing that happens is I just feel a bit dissapointed that my cycle (like all great things) had to come to its scheduled end, and that I know i'd no longer be able to make the vast leaps in progress until my next cycle down the road. I never found the coming-off period any worse between when I use things like test or a cycle that has tren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    The higher you go, the farther you can potentially fall.

    I think that the majority of it is definitely psychological - just that lack of feeling augmented beyond your normal capabilities. When coming off cycle and even long after PCT is over, training in the gym does become a mundane thing for me. You need to learn to make it interesting and teach yourself that its not all about being 'ON'. I personally have never had a post-cycle crash. The only thing that happens is I just feel a bit dissapointed that my cycle (like all great things) had to come to its scheduled end, and that I know i'd no longer be able to make the vast leaps in progress until my next cycle down the road. I never found the coming-off period any worse between when I use things like test or a cycle that has tren.
    Agree with the edit.

    for me, it is a time of healing, low weight and high reps. While on, i'm more about strength, and off with higher reps and lower weight, since this is the "growth zone" it helps maintian some gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    Agree with the edit.

    for me, it is a time of healing, low weight and high reps. While on, i'm more about strength, and off with higher reps and lower weight, since this is the "growth zone" it helps maintian some gains.
    You switch to low weight and high reps? Only during PCT or when you're off-cycle? And how has that worked out for you in terms of maintaining gains, strength, size, etc.?

    I have only ever kept going hard and to failure. Never attempted changing it to high reps with low weight during the post-cycle period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    I have only ever kept going hard and to failure. Never attempted changing it to high reps with low weight during the post-cycle period.

    Same here so far, I do add a set or two of higher reps to my workouts.


    As far as the OP's question. . . Personally my crash was not bad, the feeling of bad assness of course is a goner. But, straight up my lifts are what kept me going strong. My weight lifting ability never dropped, it actually improved - No BS.

    Just last week I hit my all time max on DB press of 90x4(for me it's great) on cycle I got to 85x6 I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    Same here so far, I do add a set or two of higher reps to my workouts.


    As far as the OP's question. . . Personally my crash was not bad, the feeling of bad assness of course is a goner. But, straight up my lifts are what kept me going strong. My weight lifting ability never dropped, it actually improved - No BS.

    Just last week I hit my all time max on DB press of 90x4(for me it's great) on cycle I got to 85x6 I believe.
    I see how that could keep you pumped and going but I've always been oddly strong. My dad and my brother both ahave a freaky strength and I got it too. That leaves me with the mental aspect and I loved feeling young and cocky again!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWaffle21 View Post
    I see how that could keep you pumped and going but I've always been oddly strong. My dad and my brother both ahave a freaky strength and I got it too. That leaves me with the mental aspect and I loved feeling young and cocky again!!
    Wait 20 years mate and let's see if you still have the same attitude about going balls out 100% of the time.

    ....my dollar says you'll do a rethink somewhere along the way and adopt a more conservative approach. Assuming you are still lifting, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    Wait 20 years mate and let's see if you still have the same attitude about going balls out 100% of the time.

    ....my dollar says you'll do a rethink somewhere along the way and adopt a more conservative approach. Assuming you are still lifting, that is.
    Trust me I'm already there!! My joints are always killing me but when I go in and lift light by the end of the workout I'm back heavy. I can't help it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    You switch to low weight and high reps? Only during PCT or when you're off-cycle? And how has that worked out for you in terms of maintaining gains, strength, size, etc.?

    I have only ever kept going hard and to failure. Never attempted changing it to high reps with low weight during the post-cycle period.
    I have to mate. Body protests too much, and need time to heal. Last time i was one arm seated curling 80lbs, and heard this crunching noise coming from my right arm in the elbow area. Yes, i warm up, and pyramid up to heavy. But the reality is, i've bbeen lifting longer than you've bbeen around, and my connective tissue starts breaking down if I stay heavy too long.

    ....sucks getting older!

    btw, i don't pct, just trt, and yes, i do lose some gains with this strategy. But this strategy is better than the one i had before, which was the same strategy you have now. Now, I assume I will become injured if I do not slow down and go light for awhile. Last two or three times, rehab took almost 6 months. And we all know there is NO growth during rehab.
    Last edited by Times Roman; 08-03-2012 at 05:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    The higher you go, the farther you fall.

    Agree. Going to the gym becomes less interesting post cycle. But you have to do it, else you will lose your gains, and then what would be the ppoint of your cycle?
    Yeah I am determined to get in there and work as hard as I can. Getting there is most the battle!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    The higher you go, the farther you can potentially fall.

    I think that the majority of it is definitely psychological - just that lack of feeling augmented beyond your normal capabilities. When coming off cycle and even long after PCT is over, training in the gym does become a mundane thing for me. You need to learn to make it interesting and teach yourself that its not all about being 'ON'. I personally have never had a post-cycle crash. The only thing that happens is I just feel a bit dissapointed that my cycle (like all great things) had to come to its scheduled end, and that I know i'd no longer be able to make the vast leaps in progress until my next cycle down the road. I never found the coming-off period any worse between when I use things like test or a cycle that has tren.
    I guess "crash" is the wrong word to use here but it is a total mental issue for me. The feeling was so great, I felt like I was 18 again. I've been in the gym so long that it's more of a job for me, I get in and get it done. I've never had the issue of workouts becoming uninteresting and I think this is because it's just what I do. It's not really fun for me, I'm going in to get results. I'm staying positive and looking for a better week coming up.

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